To: DizzyG who wrote (703235 ) 9/22/2005 12:33:18 PM From: trouthead Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 769670 Saying that fewer soldiers will die if the war ends sooner than later is a fact, not a straw argument. The sedition Act of 1918 is the most un-american piece of legislation I have ever read. Here it is: ****** 16 May, 1918 The U.S. Sedition Act -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- United States, Statutes at Large, Washington, D.C., 1918, Vol. XL, pp 553 ff. A portion of the amendment to Section 3 of the Espionage Act of June 15, 1917. The act was subsequently repealed in 1921. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SECTION 3. Whoever, when the United States is at war, shall willfully make or convey false reports or false statements with intent to interfere with the operation or success of the military or naval forces of the United States, or to promote the success of its enemies, or shall willfully make or convey false reports, or false statements, . . . or incite insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty, in the military or naval forces of the United States, or shall willfully obstruct . . . the recruiting or enlistment service of the United States, or . . . shall willfully utter, print, write, or publish any disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language about the form of government of the United States, or the Constitution of the United States, or the military or naval forces of the United States . . . or shall willfully display the flag of any foreign enemy, or shall willfully . . . urge, incite, or advocate any curtailment of production . . . or advocate, teach, defend, or suggest the doing of any of the acts or things in this section enumerated and whoever shall by word or act support or favor the cause of any country with which the United States is at war or by word or act oppose the cause of the United States therein, shall be punished by a fine of not more than $10,000 or imprisonment for not more than twenty years, or both.... ***** The part about lying and speaking falsely, if it can be proven in a court of law is the only part of this act that has any merit. The rest flies in the face of the right to free speech. As to whether the remarks of Durbin rise even close to the fascist Sedition Act would depend on what's going on at Gitmo. No one knows what is really going on because the Bush admin will not allow outsider on the grounds. Openness and transparency are the only protections we have against tyranny. jb