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To: neolib who wrote (171181)	9/23/2005 1:13:59 AM
From: stockman_scott	Respond to of 281500

Saudi Minister Warns U.S. Iraq May Face Disintegration By JOEL BRINKLEY The New York Times Published: September 23, 2005 WASHINGTON - Prince Saud al-Faisal, the Saudi foreign minister, said Thursday that he had been warning the Bush administration in recent days that Iraq was hurtling toward disintegration, a development that he said could drag the region into war. "There is no dynamic now pulling the nation together," he said in a meeting with reporters at the Saudi Embassy here. "All the dynamics are pulling the country apart." He said he was so concerned that he was carrying this message "to everyone who will listen" in the Bush administration. Prince Saud's statements, some of the most pessimistic public comments on Iraq by a Middle Eastern leader in recent months, were in stark contrast to the generally upbeat assessments that the White House and the Pentagon have been offering. <MORE> nytimes.com

To: neolib who wrote (171181)	9/24/2005 5:18:29 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

US military has routinely described the insurgents as largely foreign fighters, yet there are periodic admissions that that is not so. It become difficult for us to track as well.. We often don't know who is supporting who from day to day.. Do we have connections between former Regime players like Izzat Ibrahim Al Duri, and Muhammad Yunis Ahmad and Zarqawi, or are they funding Ansar Al Sunnah?? Is Ansar Al Sunnah working with Zarqawi, or is there a split occuring? And then there is Muqtada Al Sadr and his Mahdi Militia.. Is there an "alliance of convenience" between he and Zarqawi in order to undermine the current government, and does this constitute a deliberate policy of Iran and Syria to support both Sunnis and Shiite militants in an attempt to prevent social order from returning?? But generally, it's accepted here that suicide car bombers are generally foreigners who have been recruited outside of Iraq for "martyrdom" missions. And in general, Foreign fighters constitute the majority of his new forces. But understand.. it's a shadowy network of temporary and long-term alliances, many of them just criminal in nature (shrouded in religious justification). The only way that Iraq can be taken over by the Jihadists is if the Iraqis themselves contribute very strongly to the cause. Absolutely.. But in the meantime, a lot of people will fall victim to terrorism until the Iraqi people grow utterly sick of the violence. A bit more Xenophobia would be handy in this country.. Hawk