To: Taro who wrote (252802 ) 9/27/2005 1:25:19 PM From: Alighieri Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 1570681 for sure I can identify with the grieve of ayn parents of the US soldiers who have lost their life in wars including the current Iraq war. But at the same time I have no problems identifying with the parents and relatives of the thousands of kurds he and Chemical Ali gassed. Nor do I have any problems identifying with all the innocent people Uday and his other monster relatives (got) killed, the young girls they raped, destroyed and thus delivered to whoredom and so forth. That at least that came to an end. UN should have put that to an end. What followed after a few months of relative peace was the result of unqualified post war "planning" by a couple of naive planners not understanding the situation and not ready to put it all the way in rather than half the way. Sorry for my language here but Rummie's "economy approach" set the stage for that. Rummy obviously never read Clausewitz. The problem with you guys is that your "bleeding hearts" have unlimited compassion for your own boys only while being totally blind for what was going on and still would have been going on down there. If not reported by CNN it doesn't happen, right?? Again, having 2 sons I can understand that because honestly speaking I would always pick their life against maybe 500 others if such a terrible situation of choice would ever become mine. We are all humans and here I doubt I am the only little man. But in no way do I admit to being proud of being that selfish. Taro Now you got me going...the worst of saddam's atrocities was commited during the 1980s, when we were complicit in it, in the war with iran and the suppression of Kurdish and Shia revolts, about which "compassionate conservative" administrations at the time looked the other way at best, and provided logistics and tacit approval to both sides as well as pre-cursor materials for their chemical weapons at worst. Administrations back then didn't seem to be very concerned about the killing, but claim a moral authority now, conveniently at a time when the REAL reasons under which the war was sold to the country have fallen to pieces, discredited. What is it that Powell has said recently, that his speech at the UN is a stain on his record? Well, rest easy Colin, your compadres have changed the rationale, and stupid parochial people, with no direct interests and no direct sacrifices support their lies and soothe their conscience with empty rhetoric about iraqi atrocities, when africa has been burning for years, and not one of these phoneys cares a shit nor speaks a word. The problem with US guys is that we see through you like a piece of cheap cellophane. You want to stop the killing and the dying? Then address problems in order of priority and do it with world order at your side...then you can legitimally claim moral authority in iraq. Maybe you should have supported clinton's action in kosovo and bosnia, instead of condemning it as conservatives did only a few years ago. If you sit on the sidelines and pay lip service to millions dying in africa today, many of which could be saved without firing a single bullet, with just water, but take on iraq as a humanitarian mission after the rationale for war has collapsed under a avalanche of lies and incompetence, then your credibility is gone and you are nothing but a bunch of partisan used car salesmen. Al