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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (252818)	9/27/2005 2:13:58 PM
From: Alighieri	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1570742

So we supported Saddam in the 80's. Doesn't mean we shouldn't fix that mistake. So the war is to fix a mistake now? Gets more amusing by the post. - Ceding authority to a corrupt U.N. bureaucracy isn't a real good way to gain "moral authority." All it does is CYA. What are we ceding? The authority to help us from being shot or bombed in the streets? What a stupid argument. - Most conservatives I know of supported Clinton's actions in Bosnia and Kosovo. Ask any on this thread. I don't know what country you were living in...or wether you were even following politics at the time. Nothing could be farther from the truth. slate.msn.com - Your Africa argument is unimpressive. Same old same old, America can't be GloboCop, so why even bother to be a humanitarian in a few places if you can't be one everywhere? I don't even think that question needs to be answered. Did you even read what I wrote? Paul O'Neill wrote in his book that C Rice and others in bush's administration, including bush himself, turned him down when he took a proposal forward to build water wells in africa...it was postulated by him and supported by steve bono and now clinton is taking actions fund that it would save many thousands of lives, without firing a single bullet. Al

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (252818)	9/27/2005 2:59:30 PM
From: Alighieri	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1570742

Here's what Republicans said about Clinton and Kosovo. If this doesn't obliterate your arguments for "Iraq the humanitarian mission" then I think it's a deadlock...actually I think it is anyway. Remember that by this time, the serb atrocities of Bosnia were common knowledge.... Al ================================================== Why did they second-guess our commitment to freedom from genocide and demand that we cut and run? "President Clinton is once again releasing American military might on a foreign country with an ill-defined objective and no exit strategy. He has yet to tell the Congress how much this operation will cost. And he has not informed our nation's armed forces about how long they will be away from home. These strikes do not make for a sound foreign policy." -Senator Rick Santorum (R-PA) "No goal, no objective, not until we have those things and a compelling case is made, then I say, back out of it, because innocent people are going to die for nothing. That's why I'm against it." -Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/5/99 "American foreign policy is now one huge big mystery. Simply put, the administration is trying to lead the world with a feel-good foreign policy." -Representative Tom Delay (R-TX) "If we are going to commit American troops, we must be certain they have a clear mission, an achievable goal and an exit strategy." -Karen Hughes, speaking on behalf of presidential candidate George W. Bush Why did they demoralize our brave men and women in uniform? "I had doubts about the bombing campaign from the beginning...I didn't think we had done enough in the diplomatic area." -Senator Trent Lott (R-MS) "You think Vietnam was bad? Vietnam is nothing next to Kosovo." -Tony Snow, Fox News 3/24/99 "Well, I just think it's a bad idea. What's going to happen is they're going to be over there for 10, 15, maybe 20 years" -Joe Scarborough (R-FL) "I'm on the Senate Intelligence Committee, so you can trust me and believe me when I say we're running out of cruise missles. I can't tell you exactly how many we have left, for security reasons, but we're almost out of cruise missles." -Senator Inhofe (R-OK ) "I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now. The President began this mission with very vague objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these questions are still unanswered. There are no clarifiedrules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our overextended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no plan today" -Representative Tom Delay (R-TX) "I don't know that Milosevic will ever raise a white flag" -Senator Don Nickles (R-OK) "Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come home in body bags why their son or daughter have to give up their life?" -Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/6/99 Why didn't they support our president in a time of war? "Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is." -Governor George W. Bush (R-TX) "This is President Clinton's war, and when he falls flat on his face, that's his problem." -Senator Richard Lugar (R-IN) "The two powers that have ICBMs that can reach the United States are Russia and China. Here we go in. We're taking on not just Milosevic. We can't just say, 'that little guy, we can whip him.' We have these two other powers that have missiles that can reach us, and we have zero defense thanks to this president." -Senator James Inhofe (R-OK) "You can support the troops but not the president" -Representative Tom Delay (R-TX) "My job as majority leader is be supportive of our troops, try to have input as decisions are made and to look at those decisions after they're made ... not to march in lock step with everything the president decides to do." -Senator Trent Lott (R-MS) For us to call this a victory and to commend the President of the United States as the Commander in Chief showing great leadership in Operation Allied Force is a farce" -Representative Tom Delay (R-TX) Why did they blame America first? Bombing a sovereign nation for ill-defined reasons with vague objectives undermines the American stature in the world. The international respect and trust for America has diminished every time we casually let the bombs fly." -Representative Tom Delay (R-TX) "Once the bombing commenced, I think then Milosevic unleashed his forces, and then that's when the slaughtering and the massive ethnic cleansing really started" -Senator Don Nickles (R-OK) " Clinton's bombing campaign has caused all of these problems to explode" -Representative Tom Delay (R-TX) "America has no vital interest in whose flag flies over Kosovo's capital, and no right to attack and kill Serb soldiers fighting on their own soil to preserve the territorial integrity of their own country" -Pat Buchanan (R) "These international war criminals were led by Gen. Wesley Clark ...who clicked his shiny heels for the commander-in-grief, Bill Clinton." -Michael Savage "This has been an unmitigated disaster ... Ask the Chinese embassy. Ask all the people in Belgrade that we've killed. Ask the refugees that we've killed. Ask the people in nursing homes. Ask the people in hospitals." -Representative Joe Scarborough (R-FL) "It is a remarkable spectacle to see the Clinton Administration and NATO taking over from the Soviet Union the role of sponsoring "wars of national liberation." -Representative Helen Chenoweth (R-ID) "America has no vital interest in whose flag flies over Kosovo's capital, and no right to attack and kill Serb soldiers fighting on their own soil to preserve the territorial integrity of their own country" -Pat Buchanan (R ) "By the order to launch air strikes against Serbia, NATO and President Clinton have entered uncharted territory in mankind's history. Not even Hitler's grab of the Sudetenland in the 1930s, which eventually led to WW II, ranks as a comparable travesty. For, there are no American interests whatsoever that the NATO bombing will either help, or protect; only needless risks to which it exposes the American soldiers and assets, not to mention the victims on the ground in Serbia." -Bob Djurdjevic, founder of Truth in Media