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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (253648)	10/3/2005 8:22:41 PM
From: d[-_-]b	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1571682

Tenchusatsu, re:I remember when I was growing up how my parents Parents that "s" makes a huge difference - it's hard to succeed if your mother's on unemployment and your father's in jail.

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (253648)	10/4/2005 2:45:45 AM
From: tejek	Respond to of 1571682

Ted, I'll try to respond all at once to your posts (at least those worth responding to). Well that's frigging big of you. Would you chill with the attitude? I wasn't pushy in my responses to you. No one is denying the fact that blacks in America start off with a lot less than those of other races. Yet I see many successful black "role-models" pretty much role-modeling the wrong ideas. Things like you have to be good at basketball or other athletic sports to succeed. For a long time, you did have to be good at sports to get out of the ghetto; however, that's no longer true. You have to nail the hottest chick in the club or school in order to be "da man." You have to demand that the government give you handouts because no one else will demand it for you in this dog eat dog world. And of course, you have to support guys like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and the late Johnny Cochran, and not "sellouts" like Colin Powell or Condi Rice. Why don't you see the positive black role models like Ford, Obama Barack, C. Rice, O. Winfrey, Will Smith, Chris Rock, etc? There are a ton of them out there. Meanwhile, conditions continue to be bad for predominantly black neighborhoods. This even after two generations of civil rights (and a 1/2 generation of "political correctness"). This even after a ton of education on black history to the point where more kids know about Harriet Tubman than they do about George Washington. (Nothing wrong with Harriet Tubman, but what about one of the foremost Founding Fathers of this nation?) I hope you're exaggerating for the sake of argument because that claim is just not true. This even after many generations of welfare and other New Deal policies that have not eliminated poverty, but instead fostered a culture of dependence. LOL. The 'white' excuse for why blacks don't get ahead. The whole-welfare-has-made-them-dependent schtick. Clearly, those whites have never tried to live on welfare payments....if they had they would know what a joke that fable is. The reason why blacks are where they are is far more complex and has something to do with the way they were treated for 200 years. But you know how that goes.......whites don't want to hear it. In fact, they are sick of hearing about it so they come up with welfare stories and issues of dependency. That way they can make blacks wrong and don't have to face any guilt. I remember when I was growing up how my parents would get really angry if I didn't bring home straight A's. I rarely did anyway, but just the expectations are valuable in itself. It also helped that I had a lot of friends who were also under tremendous pressure to excel as well, so peer pressure didn't conflict as much as it could have. I can honestly say that culture makes a difference. And as you already know, race and culture are closely tied together. That's right...culture does make a difference. For many but not all blacks, their culture is bankrupt to the point of almost nonexistence. Those who get even a modicum of support tend to make it out of the ghetto. Unfortunately, there is still not enough of the stuff of your family yet in the black community but its getting there. So what's wrong with expecting more, even from disadvantaged kids? Why can't we fight against a culture that so easily destroys families, discourages hard work in school, and focuses on rights instead of responsibilities? Why can't we expose reality without having to face the PC Nazis, if our goal is to change that reality? Its been 150 years since blacks were freed from slavery and there are still many whites who believe they are inferior. You want blacks to be over the sickness of slavery and discrimination but you accept that are some whites who still are bigoted. If whites who are dominant, the better educated and in the better position can't get over their bigotry in 150 years why do you expect the black community to be over slavery and discrimination and to have transitioned into functional and dynamic community in that same 150 years? Ultimately, it's all up to blacks themselves to lift themselves out of the rut they're in, but the rest of us can start showing some tough love if we stop fearing this sensitivity crap. With that attitude, then it will take another 150 years before we will be able to put this baby to bed. ted