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To: Brumar89 who wrote (171921)	10/4/2005 11:38:43 PM
From: Sun Tzu	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

...Jabor said intelligence indicated some Arab militants had already left Iraq after losing ground during last month's assault by U.S. and Iraqi forces on the northern town of Tal Afar, where more than 1,500 insurgents were captured. "They are leaving Iraq to transfer their training skills in car bombings to their original countries," he said. Iraq has become a magnet for Islamic militants similar to Soviet-occupied Afghanistan two decades ago, U.S. and Arab security officials say. While the Afghan war against the Soviets was largely fought on a rural battlefield, security officials say Iraq is providing extremists with more comprehensive skills including training in operations for populated areas. But Jabor said Zarqawi's recruitment of Iraqi militants such as Abu Azzam indicated more Iraqis could be joining al Qaeda, even though many local insurgents owe their loyalties to tribal and other nationalist leaders rather than foreign Islamists. "Some of the experience has been transferred to Iraqis like Abu Azzam and others, but I believe some of the leaders of the Arab Afghans will remain in Iraq," Jabor added, referring to foreign Arabs, like the Jordanian Zarqawi, who had operated in Afghanistan alongside the likes of Osama bin Laden... today.reuters.co.uk ----------- Don't you feel so much safer now? Just give it time for the seeds we have planted to give fruit...spreading democracy my left foot, more like spreading terrorism and instability.

To: Brumar89 who wrote (171921)	10/8/2005 8:27:48 PM
From: geode00	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

1. Where is the Anthrax killer? That was a terrorist attack inside the US of A. Where is he/she/they? 2. OBL attacked the US of A and Bush toppled Saddam the secular dictator. OBL used Bush as a proxy as his army is quite small. Nearly 2,000 have been KIA in Iraq. They are just as much American as we are regardless of where they happen to be in the world. 3. Bush knocked over the governments of two third world countries and left a power vacuum in their place. The Brits want to move troops back into AFghanistan to avert civil war. Afghanistan is having bumper crop after bumper crop of heroin which it exports to the rest of the world. What kind of success is that? 4. Musharref doesn't want to catch OBL and he says that publicly. He's also a military dictator so what kind of a leg does he have to claim moral supremacy? Ditto the Saudis. You're cheering on despots? 5. Libya, for the umpteenth time, has been negotiating for over a decade. 6. Who the heck knows what NK is doing? One day they're giving things up, the next day they're demanding a coupla billion dollars in nuclear technology. They're the poster boy for would-be Saddams: have nukes, you get to sit down at a table. Don't have nukes: you get toppled EVEN IF YOU DON'T HAVE NUKES. 7. Bush has hamstrung the existing effort to rein in Russian nukes. How many Iraqi nuclear scientists has Bush rounded up? What's happened to AQ Khan? Why is Bush gung ho about mini nukes AND nukes in space? Why can't Bush pronounce nuclear? =========On the flip side - The US military has been shown to be much weaker than expected. The original estimates was for a war of a few weeks at a cost of a couple of billion dollars. Now we're stuck lying about numbers of working batallions, yammering about dominoes, bodycounts, special advisors, honoring the dead with more dead...all shades of Vietnam. Does having the entire world know about all the problems and limitations of the US and the US military make you feel safer? - Iraq has become a terrorist training camp with insurgents and terrorists learning how to bundle bombs together and shape charges for bigger impact. The US military says the enemy is become more coordinated, more sophisticated and more lethal. Does the new and improved terrorist manual with on the job training make you feel safer? - Iraq fulfilled OBL's claim that the west would invade and occupy a Muslim country. Does having OBL's prediction come true make you feel safer? - We're pouring $300 billion into that black hole of violence and corruption, money that could be spent on reconstruction in the Gulf. 1/2 of new borrowings come from foreign investors like Communist China. At some point China will demand Taiwan...will that make you feel safer? - Have you see gas prices lately? What happens when the tap gets 'strategically' turned off or oil is diverted to China? Will that make people feel safer?