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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (253881)	10/5/2005 6:55:38 PM
From: Road Walker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1571813

re: Ultimately, the issue isn't about the amount of money, but rather the culture of dependence that is fostered by handouts. False. Maybe that argument held water before the Clinton welfare reforms, but not since. The US economy can't support full employment, no economy can. "Ultimately, the issue" is do you let those people (and their kids) that can't find a job fall into homelessness. In the wealthiest country in the world (for now) do we let the least among us fall into destitution? What did Jesus say? re: It doesn't matter whether the amount of welfare is less than minimum wage, because if given the chance, many would choose not working for half as much over busting their chops even for a larger payback. No doubt, there are a few of those. Not "many" as a percent. You have a much lower view of your fellow man than I do. Welfare is "chicken change" in this country. John

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (253881)	10/5/2005 8:43:14 PM
From: SilentZ	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1571813

>Ultimately, the issue isn't about the amount of money, but rather the culture of dependence that is fostered by handouts. It doesn't matter whether the amount of welfare is less than minimum wage, because if given the chance, many would choose not working for half as much over busting their chops even for a larger payback. Doesn't the post you're responding to show statistics which refute that statement? -Z

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (253881)	10/6/2005 2:31:15 AM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1571813

Ted, Its not welfare that attracts them here.....its the promise of jobs which are scarce in their homeland. And what they typically do is get 10-15 to a one bdr. apt. The money they save in rent they send back home. The living conditions are on par with those of blacks. I still remember that humorous comment that a Mexican government official made (was it Fox?). "Mexicans in America take jobs that even blacks won't take." Pardon my "insensitivity," but that made me laugh. It depends on what part of the country you're visiting. In any case, the amount of money an illegal immigrant would literally die for would make a typical welfare recipient look "rich" in comparison. Ultimately, the issue isn't about the amount of money, but rather the culture of dependence that is fostered by handouts. It doesn't matter whether the amount of welfare is less than minimum wage, because if given the chance, many would choose not working for half as much over busting their chops even for a larger payback. Not according to the report in this post: Message 21767157 You did read it? ted