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Politics : Bush-The Mastermind behind 9/11? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: sea_urchin who wrote (11750)	10/5/2005 11:31:49 PM
From: shadowman	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20039

The Democrats are no longer an effective opposition party in the US. In fact, the policy of the Democratic leadership is virtually identical to that of the Republicans. This is understandable because both parties are actually parties of big business since only big business can afford the enormous sponsorship needed to put someone in the Congress. In the circumstances, a large section of the American populace has tacitly been disenfranchised. Again, I would regard this as a serious problem in any nation purporting to be a democracy I agree to a large extent with everything that you said. And yes I should have prefaced my remark - Economic and political views and policy in this country have been bought and paid for by those with the means to do so. - with "It appears that". But at the same time your above paragraph is pretty much saying the same thing as I did only a little more fleshed out. Controlling the parties in power is one aspect of a small influential minority having an effect on policy. There are many other manifestations..for instance control of the mainstream media through ownership and advertising. The influence of the wealthy and business interests reaches down through the media (national and local), federal government, the state governments, and the city, county and town governments. The noble phrase "equal justice for all" has also been co-opted to a large degree in the judicial system. Money talks loudly in American society and within the legal/court system. So it not only "appears", but it also sounds like...Economic and political views and policy in this country have been bought and paid for by those with the means to do so. I'd argue that denial is a major flaw in American political and economic culture. To think that progressive social economic policy somehow diminishes democratic representation on the part of the individual seems imbedded in most American's minds. Many equate it with those socialistic Europeans/Canadians. Those socialistic Europeans/Canadians seem to have a fairly diverse party system. Parliamentary governments do allow diverse parties to represent some more diverse viewpoints. Economic rewards seem to be more equitably distributed in those "developed" countries. (I'm not saying that the Europeans/Canadians are without flaws) In this country we seem to have an almost gray and lighter shade of gray party/policy diversity...anything else is considered extreme or on the fringe. I wonder why that is? Could it possibly be because of some of the reasons that you stated in your paragraph at the beginning of this post? It "appears" so.<g> Disclosure: I have political views that most consider way to the left. I try not to express them in a serious manner in public forums. Don't mean to offend anybody..just one man's opinion. (they are also off thread topic)

To: sea_urchin who wrote (11750)	10/6/2005 9:05:17 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 20039

Re: The US is not yet a dictatorship, nor overtly a fascist state, and so policy should actually reflect the will of the people not merely the oligarchy. Searle, I told you: the US is a Disneyesque Gulag --clue: Imam in NY resigns over 9/11 remarks 02-10-2005 NEW YORK, DAWN: An Imam appointed to New York City’s fire department resigned from his post on Friday before being sworn in amidst storm of controversy over his 9/11 conspiracy remarks. Imam Intikab Habib, was quoted by New York Newsday on Friday as saying he doubted that hijackers were responsible for the destruction of the World Trade Center, which killed 343 firefighters. He said that a broader conspiracy might have been necessary to bring the buildings down so quickly. New York City’s fire Commissioner Nicholas Scoppetta and the department’s Islamic Society, which recommended Imam Habib for the post, said they learned of Mr Habib’s views on Thursday when the Newsday reporter who was writing the article asked for a comment. Mr Scoppetta said that while he did not demand Mr Habib’s resignation, once he confirmed that the article was accurate, the proper course of action was clear to all involved. “As a chaplain he would be required to administer to all of our people, and his expressed views make it clear to me that he would not be able to perform that function with any credibility,” Mr Scoppetta said on Friday. Imam Habib, 30, was hired by the New York’s Fire department in August to succeed an imam who moved away. Mr Habib, who was born in Guyana and trained for the clergy in Saudi Arabia and until recently taught at an Islamic school in Queens, was due to be sworn in on Friday at a promotion ceremony on Randalls Island. Imam Habib told the Newsday reporter that responded that he doubted the official government explanation that the hijackers’ crashing jets into the World Trade Center was the sole cause of the buildings’ collapse. “I’ve heard professionals say that nowhere ever in history did a steel building come down with fire alone,” he was quoted as saying. “It takes two or three weeks to demolish a building like that. But it was pulled down in a couple of hours. Was it 19 hijackers who brought it down, or was it a conspiracy?” dawn.com muslimnews.co.uk