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To: Bucky Katt who wrote (19808)	10/6/2005 10:45:08 AM
From: Sun Tzu	Respond to of 20773

I'd say it is more like a mixture of enron-internut stock scam...US prints more paper the way conmen printed stock.

To: Bucky Katt who wrote (19808)	10/6/2005 3:41:03 PM
From: jttmab	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 20773

It all depends at what point the rest of the world stops buying our paper. I would guess that the world will stop buying the $, when it looks reasonably probable that the US will default. jttmab

To: Bucky Katt who wrote (19808)	10/6/2005 3:47:59 PM
From: tsigprofit	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 20773

God told me to invade Iraq, Bush tells Palestinian ministers President George W. Bush told Palestinian ministers that God had told him to invade Afghanistan and Iraq - and create a Palestinian State, a new BBC series reveals. In Elusive Peace: Israel and the Arabs, a major three-part series on BBC TWO (at 9.00pm on Monday 10, Monday 17 and Monday 24 October), Abu Mazen, Palestinian Prime Minister, and Nabil Shaath, his Foreign Minister, describe their first meeting with President Bush in June 2003. Nabil Shaath says: "President Bush said to all of us: 'I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, "George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan." And I did, and then God would tell me, "George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq …" And I did. And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, "Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East." And by God I'm gonna do it.'" Abu Mazen was at the same meeting and recounts how President Bush told him: "I have a moral and religious obligation. So I will get you a Palestinian state." The series charts the attempts to bring peace to the Middle East, from Bill Clinton's peace talks in 1999/2000 to Israel's withdrawal from Gaza last August. Norma Percy, series producer of The 50 Years War (1998) returns, with producers Mark Anderson and Dan Edge, to tell the inside story of another seven years of crisis. Presidents and Prime Ministers, their generals and ministers tell what happened behind closed doors as peace talks failed and the intifada exploded. Israel and the Arabs: Elusive Peace - Mondays 10, 17 and 24 October, from 9.00 to 10.00pm on BBC TWO.

To: Bucky Katt who wrote (19808)	10/6/2005 3:50:18 PM
From: tsigprofit	Respond to of 20773

McCain rebukes Bush on torture issue George W. Bush rebuke on torture AP 07oct05 THE US Senate delivered a stern rebuke to the Bush Administration, by voting to ban the torture of military prisoners. The Senate added the clause to a $US440 billion military spending Bill in defiance of a White House threat to veto the whole Bill if the anti-torture language was attached. The Republican-majority Senate followed the lead of Senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham voting 90-9 to add the anti-torture wording to the legislation. Former Secretary of State Colin Powell, a retired army general, joined 28 other retired senior military officers in endorsing the McCain-Graham amendment. Their measure would ban the use of "cruel, inhuman or degrading" treatment of any prisoner in the hands of the United States. It's a response to the revelations of torture by US personnel of Iraqi detainees at Abu Ghraib prison in Baghdad, which roused worldwide disgust. Senator McCain, who was a prisoner of war tortured by his North Vietnamese captors during the Vietnam war, cited a letter written to him recently by army Captain Ian Fishback asking Congress to do justice to men and women in uniform. "Give them clear standards of conduct that reflect the ideals they risk their lives for," Capt Fishback wrote the Senator. "We owe it to them," Senator McCain said on the Senate floor. "We threw out the rules that our soldiers had trained on and replaced them with a confusing and constantly changing array of standards . . . we demanded intelligence without ever clearly telling our troops what was permitted and what was forbidden." Senator Graham, a former judge advocate in the Air National Guard, said: "We take this moral high ground to make sure that if our people fall into enemy hands, we'll have the moral force to say, `You have got to treat them right'. If you don't practice what you preach, nobody listens." However, even if the Senate passes the spending Bill with the anti-torture wording included, both face an uncertain future. Before any legislation could go to President George W. Bush to be vetoed or signed into law, negotiators from the Senate must overcome objections from the House, which is also in Republican hands but more likely to do the President's bidding. But Mr Bush has never vetoed any legislation. Vetoing a big military spending Bill during wartime would be highly unusual if not unprecedented. Also yesterday, US Vice-President Dick Cheney said the US must be prepared to fight the war on terror for decades to bring peace to Iraq and the rest of the Middle East. "Like other great duties in history, it will require decades of patient effort, and it will be resisted by those whose only hope for power is through the spread of violence," he said. "As the people of that region experience new hope, progress, and control over their own destiny, we will see the power of freedom to change our world and a terrible threat will be removed." heraldsun.news.com.au