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To: Bill who wrote (706103)	10/6/2005 12:25:43 PM
From: Fred Levine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

Bill--Why is it called a "Christmas tree?"--fred

To: Bill who wrote (706103)	10/6/2005 12:48:15 PM
From: trouthead	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769670

You are correct that there is no law that is enacted by displaying the ten commandments (having a christmas tree is so minor as to not be worth discussing, only morons would quibble that that approaches establishment). A broader reading that would equate "Congress" with the "Federal Government" will lead to a different understanding. It is clear from that the framers thought religion played an important role in daily life, but equally clear that they thought govt had no proper role regarding what that role should be. Isn't it better to err on the side of caution? jb

To: Bill who wrote (706103)	10/6/2005 1:38:01 PM
From: paret	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

The Stainman Jabbers and Jabbers: Diarrhea of the Mouth ......................................... Bill Clinton: U.S. Likely to Lose in Iraq NewsMax ^ \| 10/6/05 Ex-president Bill Clinton is predicting that the U.S. will lose the war in Iraq, saying "the odds are not great of our prevailing there." In an interview with the Ladies Home Journal due out next month, Clinton calls the Iraq war "a quagmire" and warns "it could go wrong." He reminded: "Since the end of World War II, the only major foreign power that succeeded in putting down an insurgency was the British putting down the Malay insurgency, but the British stayed 15 years." "So you can say for historical reasons, the odds are not great of our prevailing there," he argued. Despite Clinton's prediction of U.S. failure, he said analogies to Vietnam were not fair. "The reason this is not Vietnam is that 58 percent of the eligible voters showed up and voted in Iraq," he told the Journal. On the other hand, he said, the South Vietnamese government was "never legitimate" in the eyes of the Vietnamese. Clinton spokesman Jay Carson immediately sought to tone down the ex-president morale-busting remarks, telling the New York Daily News: "President Clinton has always been clear that there are reasons for optimism and that there clearly are reasons for concern with the current situation in Iraq. But no one has been clearer than President Clinton about the necessity of winning now that we are there."