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To: steve harris who wrote (254436)	10/9/2005 10:40:22 AM
From: Mary Cluney	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1571884

So when is an unborn child a child or an "inconvenience"? Because the mother says so? If we follow that logic, then a mother should be able to eliminate her offspring at any time... If you really believed in God, why should it matter? Your job is to get "the Word" out that abortion is wrong and you will be punished for it. There are some things you have to leave up to to God. We ain't God. We should not abort babies, we should not go to war, and we should not implement the death penalty. Saint Augustine has outlined very precisely when war and killing other human beings are justified, but Scalia and other "God fearing" know it alls, don't want to hear it. They want to hear what they want to hear. They want to use God's name to justify their own convictions. We have a Constitution that separates the Church from the State. There are somethings you have to just leave up to God. That is if you really believe in God and you believe in the Constitution.

To: steve harris who wrote (254436)	10/9/2005 10:55:02 AM
From: Elroy	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1571884

in 1973, the 24 week figure was decided upon because at the time, 24 weeks was considered the earliest an unborn child would be viable outside the womb. With our technology today, many premature babies are surviving being born before 24 weeks... I was trying to discuss the legal/illegal, right/wrong issues of abortion. I think the supreme court made a mistake but thought if I'm wrong, it would be easy to show where I was wrong in thinking an unborn child begins at conception. Some say brain activity, some say only after it's born, some say a heartbeat... Well right and wrong are not absolutes on many things, and certainly you're not going to get an agreed upon absolute on when (during a 9 month pregnancy) a fertilized egg turns into an independent citizen. What's wrong for you is right for others. That's the main reason I think its best left up to the primary person involved, the pregnant woman. Its a developmental process, and it seems of the three logical "turning points" (conception, delivery, ability to survive outside the womb) the court took the latter. Legally it sort of makes sense because until that point the women should have the ability to decide what goes on in her body, and once the fetus passes that point (theoretically) I guess they figure the pregnant woman's responsibility is to remove the fetus from her body and let it survive externally (however that works) rather than kill it. As for what's legal and illegal, it seems the Supreme Court has laid that out for the states. Actually, I think the more interesting discussion is whether the Supreme Court should be deciding policy regarding abortion. I'm no lawyer, but it doesn't seem like the type of topic that is in the Constitution. As I understand it, it is illegal due to some right to privacy, which fits in with the idea that once the fetus can survive, and theoretically the mother is no longer necessary for its survival, then the mother's ability to terminate it would vanish. Remove it and let it live would be the requirement at that point, if the mother didn't want it inside her. So when is an unborn child a child or an "inconvenience"? Because the mother says so? If we follow that logic, then a mother should be able to eliminate her offspring at any time... I think the Supreme Court decision indicates that the mother's wishes only take precedence over the fetus's desire to live when the fetus requires the mother as a womb. After 24 weeks, the mother has lost the decision making power, legally.