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Politics : Should God be replaced? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: LLCF who wrote (22644)	10/11/2005 1:53:21 AM
From: average joe	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

It won't work, Jesus came in fulfillment of the old testament, i.e. he was the next step and did not extinguish anything. You have to accept the whole thing or it is not logical for you to be calling yourself a Christian. Any preacher, minister or priest would call you a lunatic for the position you are advocating. Agitation of this sort would have had you burned as a heretic at the Spanish Inquisition. The only thing he really did is an addendum to the ten commandments and quite literally this was only meant for the lost sheep of the house of Israel as we hear from the hearsay account of John. John 13:34 34 "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. The correct answer to my previous post was obviously that you love your neighbour like Jesus loved his flock, e.g. killing their fig trees, casting out demons, chucking out money changers, rendering unto Caesar, stealing colts, having his followers pull money out of fishes mouths, magic tricks at picnics by multiplying the bread and at weddings by changing water into wine. (see below) Matthew 21 And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away Mark 5 He took her by the hand and said to her, "Talitha koum!" (which means, "Little girl, I say to you, get up!" ). Matthew 22 Then he said to them, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's." Matthew 21 Jesus entered the temple area and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves. Mark 11 "Go to the village ahead of you, and just as you enter it, you will find a colt tied there, which no one has ever ridden. Untie it and bring it here. If anyone asks you, 'Why are you doing this?' tell him, 'The Lord needs it and will send it back here shortly.' " Matthew 17 "But so that we may not offend them, go to the lake and throw out your line. Take the first fish you catch; open its mouth and you will find a four-drachma coin. Take it and give it to them for my tax and yours." Matthew 15 Jesus called his disciples to him and said, "I have compassion for these people; they have already been with me three days and have nothing to eat. I do not want to send them away hungry, or they may collapse on the way." His disciples answered, "Where could we get enough bread in this remote place to feed such a crowd?" "How many loaves do you have?" Jesus asked. "Seven," they replied, "and a few small fish." He told the crowd to sit down on the ground. Then he took the seven loaves and the fish, and when he had given thanks, he broke them and gave them to the disciples, and they in turn to the people. They all ate and were satisfied. Afterward the disciples picked up seven basketfuls of broken pieces that were left over. The number of those who ate was four thousand, besides women and children. After Jesus had sent the crowd away, he got into the boat and went to the vicinity of Magadan. John 2 They did so, and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew. Then he called the bridegroom aside and said, "Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now." Just don't forget who it was for; Matthew 15:24 "I am not sent but for the lost sheep of the House of Israel?"

To: LLCF who wrote (22644)	10/11/2005 5:09:47 AM
From: Solon	Respond to of 28931

Then you deny Jesus. It is Jesus who guarantees and commands the Absolute truth, integrity, and lawfulness of the OT. greatcom.org "We could cite many reasons for the Old Testament being God's Word, but the strongest argument comes from the Lord Jesus Himself. As God in human flesh, Jesus speaks with final authority. And His testimony regarding the Old Testament is loud and clear. Jesus believed that the Old Testament was divinely inspired, the veritable Word of God. He said, "The Scripture cannot be broken" (John 10:35). He referred to Scripture as "the commandment of God" (Matthew 15:3) and as the "Word of God" (Matthew 15:6). He also indicated that it was indestructible: "Until Heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass away from the law, until all is accomplished" (Matthew 5:18). Notice that he mentions even the words and letters! When dealing with the people of His day, whether it was with the disciples or religious rulers, Jesus constantly referred to the Old Testament: "Have you not read that which was spoken to you by God?" (Matthew 22:31); "Yea; and have you never read, 'Out of the mouth of infants and nursing babes thou hast prepared praise for thyself'?" (Matthew 21:16, citing Psalm 8:2); and "Have you not read what David did?" (Matthew 12:3). Examples could be multiplied to demonstrate that Jesus was conversant with the Old Testament and its content. He quoted from it often and He trusted it totally. He confirmed many of the accounts in the Old Testament, such as the destruction of Sodom and the death of Lot's wife (Luke 17:29, 32), the murder of Abel by his brother Cain (Luke 11:51), the calling of Moses (Mark 12:26), the manna given in the wilderness (John 6:31-51), the judgment upon Tyre and Sidon (Matthew 1-1:21), and many others. Not only did Jesus confirm the historicity of these accounts, He also authenticated some of the passages that are most disputed today. Many modern scholars do not believe that Moses wrote the first five books of the Old Testament, but Jesus did (see Matthew 19:8, 9; John 7:19; Mark 12:29-31). Some modern scholars also assume the existence of more than one Isaiah, but Jesus believed in only one. In Luke 4:17-21, He cites Isaiah 61:1, 2 (the so-called second Isaiah or Deutero-Isaiah) while in Matthew 15:7-9 He refers to the first part of Isaiah's work (Isaiah 6:9) without the slightest hint of more than one author. The account of Daniel is rejected today by many as actually coming from the pen of Daniel, but the Lord Jesus believed him to be a prophet (Matthew 24:15). The account of Adam and Eve often is ridiculed today as legend, but Jesus believed the story to be true (Matthew 19:1-6). Likewise, the narrative of Noah and the great flood not only is authenticated by Jesus (Matthew 24:37), it also is used as an example of His second coming. Finally, the most unbelievable of all-the account of Jonah and the great fish-is used by Jesus as a sign of His resurrection (Matthew 12:39ff). It almost seems as though Jesus was anticipating 20th century biblical criticism when He authenticated these accounts. The con-clusion is simple. If a person believes in Jesus Christ, he should be consistent and believe that the Old Testament and its accounts are correct. Many want to accept Jesus, but also want to reject a large portion of the Old Testament. This option is not available. Either Jesus knew what He was talking about or He did not. The evidence is clear that Jesus saw the Old Testament as being God's Word; His attitude toward it was nothing less than total trust." But the composite myth we know as "Jesus" also believed in the demon theory of disease, in a flat earth, in Adam and Eve--and other such sillyness. So if Jesus is "God", then one must accept his criminality and other defects in BOTH testaments. _________________________________ You seem to prefer the NT over the NT. I wonder why? The OT with regards to treatment of parents: Honor thy father and thy mother (Exodus 20:12) For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death. (Leviticus 20:9) The NT preaches the opposite: "Whoever comes to me and does not hate father and mother. . .cannot be my disciple." (Luke 14.26) When a disciple begs for permission to bury his father, "Lord, first let me go and bury my father.", the Matthew authors tell us Jesus told him to let him rot: "Follow me, and let the dead bury their own dead." (Matthew 8:21-22) members.aol.com