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To: Greg or e who wrote (81)	10/11/2005 11:13:55 PM
From: Solon	Respond to of 2133

{I just did communicate it; you're just incapable of justifying the existence of anything outside of your materialistic philosophy" The failure is yours. I was not pursuing such a goal. "Suggest away, but that doesn't come close to establishing a link between consciousness and brain function" It surely establishes a link. There has never ever ever been ONE example of consciousness without brain function. Not going to happen! :-) "What was two plus two before you had a brain?" To you it was NOTHING! THAT is the POINT!! Mathematics is simply a language to represent the nature of world. Objects in our world have shape (geometry), size (measurement), relationship (the ordering of chaos to meaning and predictability). Mathematics is a systematic system of thought developed over millions of years of evolution--a system of thought which filters the facts of shape, size, number, and relationship to approximate an orderly and comprehensible world. Mathematics, logic, and language--are really inseparable. The language of mathematics simply describes what we perceive in our world. First we have ONE orange, then we have MORE than one orange. If we give our fingers names such as one, two, three, etc. ...then we can NUMBER those oranges. If they fill a basket--then we can have a BASKET of oranges. How many baskets of oranges do we have?? If we take away one basket of oranges--how many baskets are left?? How far can you carry a "basket"?? What is far? Well, let us caLL MY FOOT--A FOOT (we got to start measuring somewhere, don't we?). I carry a basket 13 feet. How far can you carry one? Do you need to be superstitious to count the oranges? do you need to be superstitious to weigh the oranges? Do you need to be superstitious to measure how far you can carry them? If I take away one basket of oranges...how many baskets have I taken away? Do you need to appeal to a supernatural power to answer? Is there something supernatural about the language of mathematics? There doesn't appear to be! A basket of oranges DOES seem to be more than one orange! And it DOES seem to have a shape and a size! Hey! These oranges are SMALLER than those in the basket! Maybe instead of measuring them by my feet...we should start using an "inch"! You know how to sidestep a tree because it is in front of you? You have never required supernatural knowledge when you bought cabbage or balanced your bank book? HA!! I don't need to be dead to verify that TWO ROCKS are TWO ROCKS! "Your constant moralizing is a sign that you don't even believe your own philosophy" You embarrass yourself with such a ridiculous comment. I have stated many times that I believed in free will. I actually have the proof if I can just remember the slip. Free will is the ability to intend--not to control. This is the huge error of all philosophers since day one. I just happened to comprehend the obvious. Please please sit down...hold the applause.