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Politics : Don't Blame Me, I Voted For Kerry -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Dan B. who wrote (68355)	10/14/2005 1:45:34 PM
From: Orcastraiter	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81568

RE: It's true, not only hasn't Bush "lied" about this, he's never said it. WASHINGTON – President Bush said Monday that U.S. progress in Iraq was making insurgents more "desperate" and spurring attacks such as the bombings at the international Red Cross headquarters and four police stations across Baghdad that killed dozens of people. "The more progress we make on the ground, the more free the Iraqis become, the more electricity that's available, the more jobs are available, the more kids that are going to school, the more desperate these killers become," Bush told reporters at the White House. He said those continuing to engage in violence "can't stand the thought of a free society. They hate freedom. They love terror. They love to try to create fear and chaos." newsmax.com We still haven't got electricity up to pre war levels in Baghdad...and this is after two plus years. Progress is something the Bush Administration likes to talk about, but little progress is made in making the people safer. In fact the death tolls continue to climb for both Americans and Iraqis, while the quality of life has plummeted. Electricity and water are no where near the pre war levels. The readiness of the new Iraqi Army has gone down. What is wrong with this picture? We have an administration who's willing to veto the defense spending bill because of McCain's bill to ensure decent treatment of detainees. This administration has bungled the "war on terror", and has turned Iraq into chaos...with no end in sight. These folks have no vision, no plan, no world cooperation...and finally Americans are waking up to the fact that these guys are goofballs who have squandered the support we had after 9-11, and who have added an illegal war in Iraq in the name of the "war on terror". Pat Tillman even said the war in Iraq was #V@#ing illegal. What a sorry state of affairs this administration has wrought. Orca

To: Dan B. who wrote (68355)	10/14/2005 2:00:23 PM
From: American Spirit	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81568

Bush has lied many times about Iraq. His current spin is a big lie too. He is now using this unsubstantiated letter between Al Qaida leaders which may in fact be a fabricated hoax as "evidence" that he's on the right track. In fact, stats I've seen say 90% of the insurgency is part of an Iraqi civil war, not foreign terrorists. No matter that Bush didn't mention Al Qaida and Osama for several years, and said Osama no longer concerned him, now he's using Osama as his new rationale. Meanwhile, why hasn't he caught or killed Osama and his top people? That was job #1 in the war on terror and he went AWOL on it. 9-11 was four years ago and Bush has done almost nothing to kill Osama. Clinton did a lot more. Bush has also never tried to avenge the USS Cole which happened shortly before he came into power. Bush's orchestrated rehearsed conversation with the troops yesterday also proves he's dishonest. It's all about spin to support whatever his current excuses are, not reality. He's refusing to level with the American people, and hasn't leveled with us once since day one.

To: Dan B. who wrote (68355)	10/14/2005 2:25:59 PM
From: Orcastraiter	Respond to of 81568

"The more progress we make on the ground, the more free the Iraqis become, the more electricity that's available, the more jobs are available, the more kids that are going to school, the more desperate these killers become," Bush told reporters at the White House. <From the Newsmax link I provided> Problem is...there are no jobs...except for enrollment in the Iraqi Army and many do not want to get caught in the cross fire between the US and the "insurgents". Schools are all but impossible to attend. Peope are hunkered down. Going out...even to school...is not safe. Electricity...off and on...but mostly off: The electrical situation differs from area to area. On some days, the electricity schedule is two hours of electricity, and then four hours of no electricity. On other days, it’s four hours of electricity to four or six hours of no electricity. The problem is that the last couple of weeks, we don’t have electricity in the mornings for some reason. Our local generator is off until almost 11 am, and the house generator allows for ceiling fans (or “pankas”), the refrigerator, television and a few other appliances. Air conditioners cannot be turned on and the heat is oppressive by 8 am these days. Detentions and assassinations, along with intermittent electricity, have also been contributing to sleepless nights. We’re hearing about raids in many areas in the Karkh half of Baghdad in particular. On the television the talk about ‘terrorists’ being arrested, but there are dozens of people being rounded up for no particular reason. Almost every Iraqi family can give the name of a friend or relative who is in one of the many American prisons for no particular reason. They aren’t allowed to see lawyers or have visitors and stories of torture have become commonplace. Both Sunni and Shia clerics who are in opposition to the occupation are particularly prone to attacks by “Liwa il Theeb” or the special Iraqi forces Wolf Brigade. They are often tortured during interrogation and some of them are found dead. riverbendblog.blogspot.com Discrediting all of these much-trumpeted political developments in the eyes of Iraqis is the fact that their lives are not getting better. The government is notoriously corrupt. Nobody seems to be in charge. There is still very high unemployment in the cities. Electricity has been running two hours on, four hours off in the capital for the past fortnight. At the height of the summer, the supply was even worse. Meanwhile kidnapping remains rife. And every few days the suicide bombers make their savage onslaughts and the mood among Iraqis is one of edgy despair. news.independent.co.uk The policies of this administration are failing...yet they are like deer caught in the headlights: Iraq is a country paralysed by fear. Thirty months after the US and British invasion the country is getting closer to civil war by the day. Ethnic cleansing of Shia by Sunni death squads has started in the south and west of Baghdad. Insurgents control large parts of the city at night. They lob mortar bombs at will into the heavily fortified American, British and Iraqi government headquarters in the Green Zone. The American and British governments seem disconnected from the terrible reality of Iraq. Tony Blair says the time scale for withdrawal is "when the job is done." But stop any Iraqi in the streets of Baghdad and the great majority say the violence will get worse until the US and Britain start to pull out. They say the main catalyst for the Sunni Arab insurrection is the US occupation. more... news.independent.co.uk Orca