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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (172502)	10/14/2005 9:35:37 PM
From: Bilow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Hi Hawkmoon; Re: "But that's going to take years." Two years on, the current situation is that the US is trying to figure out how to get out of Iraq with honor. The public's approval of the war is trending in the general direction of single digits. As far as keeping the terrorists off American soil goes, the latest news is that a white American college student and moslem convert died when his bombs went off prematurely in Oklahoma, apparently in protest of the Iraq war. And Al Qaeda is making plans for what to do when the power vacuum arrives. Not too good. Re: "Just as it took years for 13 sovereign states to decide that Confederate government wasn't sufficient and that they needed a consitution. And even then, it required a bill of rights for it to be accepted by all parties." The Iraqi government is in no way similar to that of George Washington. They're in power at the business end of foreign weapons with very little assistance from their own people. The Iraqi government is far more similar to various puppet governments that we've supported over the years and that ended up folding ignominiously. -- Carl

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (172502)	10/14/2005 11:42:46 PM
From: geode00	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Not everyone who wields a gun is an insurgent or a jihadist. Some of them are just people out to make a buck, exact revenge, steal something because they can or maybe even deal drugs coming out of Afghanistan. Remember the looting? Those were jihadists? Nope. They were looters. Remember the original plans? There was a viceroy, American military governors, privatization of the oil fields, etc. etc. There were all kinds of grand plans which never went anywhere since there have never been enough troops. The Shiites wanted immediate elections and the US said no way. The entire thing is a mess because the government was toppled and a power vacuum resulted. Even if everyone put down their guns tomorrow, there's still massive Iraqi government corruption. Do you trust Chalabi? For that matter, do you trust Halliburton and Bechtel? Where is the $8.8 BILLION missing from under Bremmer? Where is the $1 BILLION missing in the Defense Ministry? What happens to the rights of women in a fundamentalist society? This: corruption, theft, fundamentalism is what the US is paying for? Is it any wonder why the majority of Americans do not support this war?