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To: Brumar89 who wrote (172550)	10/15/2005 2:55:40 PM
From: bentway	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

"Nazis were conservatives" That's what everyone says. Pretty funny conservatives who call themselves socialist." Brucie, you're a cartoon! Nazis are the ultimate authoritarian conservative xenophobes. You'd have fitted right in as an SS man or a brownshirt. There's been a right wingnut initiaive to seperate the two with revisionist history, but it's a joke. The "National Socialists" were the existing party the Nazis chose to take over and ride to power - it's just a name. Think neocons and Republican party. Hitler even gave some very early "socialist" speeches - before he started sending socialists to the camps and the ovens. Does this sound like a "socialist"? spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk "In an attempt to obtain financial contributions from industrialists, Hitler wrote a pamphlet in 1927 entitled The Road to Resurgence. Only a small number of these pamphlets were printed and they were only meant for the eyes of the top industrialists in Germany. The reason that the pamphlet was kept secret was that it contained information that would have upset Hitler's working-class supporters. In the pamphlet Hitler implied that the anti-capitalist measures included in the original twenty-five points of the NSDAP programme would not be implemented if he gained power. Hitler began to argue that "capitalists had worked their way to the top through their capacity, and on the basis of this selection they have the right to lead." Hitler claimed that national socialism meant all people doing their best for society and posed no threat to the wealth of the rich. Some prosperous industrialists were convinced by these arguments and gave donations to the Nazi Party, however, the vast majority continued to support other parties, especially the right-wing German Nationalist Peoples Party (DNVP). "... "The behaviour of the NSDAP became more violent. On one occasion 167 Nazis beat up 57 members of the German Communist Party in the Reichstag. They were then physically thrown out of the building. The stormtroopers also carried out terrible acts of violence against socialists and communists. In one incident in Silesia, a young member of the KPD had his eyes poked out with a billiard cue and was then stabbed to death in front of his mother. Four members of the SA were convicted of the rime. Many people were shocked when Hitler sent a letter of support for the four men and promised to do what he could to get them released."

To: Brumar89 who wrote (172550)	10/24/2005 11:33:46 AM
From: Sun Tzu	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Once again you see what you want to see. I never spoke of left/right or Socialist/Capitalist divisions. The topic at hand is CONSERVATISM. You can look it up in Wikipedia if you don't know what it means en.wikipedia.org But let's forget about your mindless rebuttal of Nazism as "left" What about their close allies the Fascists? Were they lefties too? How does "socialistic" does this quote strike you? ""Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. (from Encyclopedia Italiana, Giovanni Gentile, editor)