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To: greenspirit who wrote (172595)	10/16/2005 8:58:53 AM
From: bentway	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Mikey, do you REALLY think the assclown we have as President is the best we can do? Less and less of your own Repugnican peeps do. I think the chimp's job approval will be in the twenties by the time he scuttles out of office.

To: greenspirit who wrote (172595)	10/16/2005 9:51:42 AM
From: epicure	Respond to of 281500

For indictments in office, I believe Reagan's administration set the record. And don't forget the part Poppa Bush played in that, blocking the indictments, with pardons, of several key figures... ........... here's the scoreboard: 62 federal indictments of Reagan administration officials (a record of some sort?) culminating in the poppy bu$hit "Christmas surprise" pardon of Weinberger, etc. over the reagan Iran/Contra arms scandal: "THE CHRISTMAS EVE PARDONS. In late 1992 -- with only a month remaining in Bush's presidency -- Iran-Contra once again resurfaced. Bill Clinton had just defeated him in November in his bid for a second term. Reagan's secretary of defense, Caspar Weinberger, was soon to be indicted for his part in Iran-Contra. Bush only had two months remaining before he would leave office. And Walsh was in his fifth year of investigating the players involved in Iran-Contra. Bush himself was well aware that there was a chance that he, too, could be subpoenaed to appear before a grand jury and perhaps be indicted. C. Gordon Gray Reagan's White House counsel for eight years, also served as Bush's personal lawyer in those same years when he was vice president. In December 1992, Gray recommended that Bush pardon Weinberger as well as other Iran-Contra figures. If Bush pardoned only Weinberger, Gray believed, that would make it suspicious that the president would be covering himself. After all, Weinberger's diary was in the hands of the independent counsel, and it contained evidence which could have implicated Bush. Additionally, possible personal testimony could also damage Bush's credibility, since he had vehemently denied any role in Iran-Contra. Gray believed that all the high level Iran-Contra players should be pardoned. He believed that this would shield Bush from the charge that he was attempting to bring Iran-Contra to a swift conclusion so that he himself could never be implicated. The president had been convinced to go ahead and pardon Weinberger and other Iran-Contra figures who earlier had been convicted. Gray contacted six high level officials who had been convicted of Iran-Contra crimes in order to see if they would accept a presidential pardon. Two CIA officials as well as former NSC adviser Robert McFarlane and former Assistant Secretary of State Elliot Abrams agreed to a pardon. Gray helped Bush write a three page memo explaining the purpose of the pardons. Bush said that "the five have already paid the price -- in depleted savings, lost careers, anguished families -- grossly disproportionate to any misdeeds or errors of judgment they may have committed." uhhhhhh, right. there's that "famous" repuglican "we must be accountable" bullcrap."

To: greenspirit who wrote (172595)	10/17/2005 9:34:23 AM
From: GST	Respond to of 281500

<Votes and elections are the measurement, the rest is just noise.> Oh there is plenty of noise alright. If there was a prize for political propaganda in a western democracy the Bush team would own the category.. Trouble is, once in a while people see all the way through the bull$hit and then even the hardcore fans stop cheering. Bush is a disgraceful leader with a noise machine that keeps enough fog in the air most of the time to give him cover to blame somebody else for all the screw-ups -- and of course the "radical lefties and the liberal press" are always favorite propaganda ploys.. When the fog lifts it is clear to all that the US has saddled itself with the worst President in its history.