To: Wharf Rat who wrote (2676 ) 10/16/2005 8:19:16 AM From: Crocodile Respond to of 24227 I've noticed a couple of my firs look to be dying; bigger ones, 1-2 ft diameter. Been too dry, I think, + about 3 pests. (<: as you know, i spend a lot of time out hiking....and much of that time is spent hiking up on the Canadian Shield where the forests grow on thin soil over granite. there is major heat stress up there in recent years. many places where i hike, the trees with the shallowest root systems look to be getting "cooked". Spreading juniper is one that I'm seeing getting killed off on all of the exposed rock ridges which it favours. just received an email from someone letting me know about a seminar this week that he thought i might want to attend.Natural Resources Canada - Canadian Forest Service (NRCan-CFS) cordially invites you a climate change seminar on the Impacts of recent drought on the aspen forests of western and central Canada: early signs of climate change? apparently, there's a lot of concern over accelerating die-off despite this year's rains. meanwhile, i just received another note from someone about finch and other bird movements down from the boreal forest this winter. biologists are forecasting major movement into southern Ontario due to cone and seed failures in the northern forests. now, some of the above can be blamed on fluke years of drought, or on natural cycles of seed and cone production -- but we've had many strange years in a row. last year, the Great Gray Owls came down from the north and spent the winter in southern Ontario -- almost unprecedented -- great for all of us who would never normally see these big owls, but what is driving birds to leave territory and move into a whole other range? last year, it was supposedly due to poor seed and cone crops which had impacted the rodent population (among other causes). these are the kinds of things i and many others have been watching. this stuff is abundantly visible -- not some theoretical stuff that can be easily ignored. frankly, i'm surprised that the whole global warming thing is taking so long. i mean, man has destroyed the forests in every place where the soil is deep and fertile enough for agriculture -- thus destroying the lungs of our earth. he's paved over and built structures and roads all over -- and these do nothing more than act as "heat sinks" and sources of radiant heat. then, he expects the forests that remain standing -- those that remain on the poor, thin soil which lies over miles deep granite and other rock -- to protect the earth from heat and act as a carbon sink? meanwhile, these same forests are under assault by rising temperatures that heat the granite and cause it to behave like a heat sink as well. i don't know what people are thinking when they believe this can go on indefinitely. when the boreal forests of the north country are burning, then what? ~croc