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To: tejek who wrote (256542)	10/21/2005 4:23:58 AM
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Re: From the late 19th century until WW II, this country was a nation of... lily-white immigrants --clue: The door to the Chinese American dream was finally slammed shut in 1882, when Congress passed the Chinese Exclusion Act. This act was the first significant restriction on free immigration in U.S. history, and it excluded Chinese laborers from the country under penalty of imprisonment and deportation. It also made Chinese immigrants permanent aliens by excluding them from U.S. citizenship. Chinese men in the U.S. now had little chance of ever reuniting with their wives, or of starting families in their new home. For all practical purposes, the Exclusion Act, along with the restrictions that followed it, froze the Chinese community in place in 1882, and prevented it from growing and assimilating into U.S. society as European immigrant groups did. Later, the 1924 Immigration Act would tighten the noose even further, excluding all classes of Chinese immigrants and extending restrictions to other Asian immigrant groups. Until these restrictions were relaxed in the middle of the twentieth century, Chinese immigrants were forced to live a life apart, and to build a society in which they could survive on their own. memory.loc.gov capaa.wa.gov www3.niu.edu

To: tejek who wrote (256542)	10/21/2005 4:55:36 AM
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Re: just like its understood in current day Berlin that the Turks should stay in that one arrondissement I discussed earlier this week. Reports in 2004 Christian Hall, University of Hawaii, Honolulu, Hawaii Little Istanbul in Berlin [...] Though the future may look bleak for some, other German Turkish citizens are very successful and highly esteemed members of German society. Turkish-born Vural Öger made his living in the tourism industry and is now a prominent politician in Germany's ruling Social Democratic Party. Öger serves on the European Parliament alongside Cem Ozdemir and Feleknaz Uca, also German Turkish citizens. In the film industry, Turkish director Fatih Akin and a group of mostly Turkish actors won the Deutscher Filmpreis and other awards for the film "Gegen die Wand," which was one of the most successful German films in recent years. This film shows the challenges of Turkish residents who have grown up in Germany. There are many flourishing businesses, factories and shops that are run by German Turkish citizens. In the Kreuzberg area of Berlin the spectrum of Turkish culture in Berlin is omnipresent. Despite Kreuzberg's merit as a cultural melting pot, its residents bear witness to a darker side of German society that manifests itself every year. On May 1, thousands of rioters and police fill the streets of Kreuzberg for what has become an annual event complete with burning cars, tear gas, looting, drunkenness and violence. This tradition began in 1987 with a conflict between police officers and a left-wing group known as the Autonomen. Though there have been many attempts on the part of the government to prevent the riots and maintain peace, Kreuzberg residents brace themselves each year and prepare for the inevitable. Though many cultures clash each May 1 in Kreuzberg, members of the large Turkish population in that area tend to be innocent bystanders rather than active participants. "Kreuzberg is not only traditionally left wing but also the part of town where most Turkish immigrants live," said Marco von Müller, a 27-year-old Berlin resident. "However, they have nothing to do with the riots." Though neo-Nazis often create problems concerning riots and street violence, von Müller sees the May 1 riots as an exception. "Usually our troubles here have something to do with the (neo) Nazis, but on May 1st, they are our least problem. Every year, radical left wing extremists come from all over Germany to Kreuzberg (traditionally left wing part of Berlin) to fight," von Müller said. "Who are they fighting, you ask? The state, the government, capitalism, you name it. They feel like revolutionaries, I believe. It's bad. Better be out of Kreuzberg on this day." Germany's Turks may be linked with poverty due to high unemployment, but neighborhoods heavily populated by Turkish residents are not necessarily the worst areas, von Müller said. "There are areas in Berlin where Turkish people are the majority. However, I would not see those areas as ghettos or slums," von Müller said. "These people are not the poorest in Berlin." Some Berliners feel that areas with large Turkish populations are fun, exciting and ideal places to live. Julia Dollinger, a 23-year-old student of English language and literature moved to Kreuzberg from Friedrichshain after she grew bored of the homogeneous nature of its residents. Living in Kreuzberg, Dollinger said, is a daily adventure. "Living in Kreuzberg is very different, sometimes you feel like being on holiday because everybody around you speaks another language," Dollinger said. "Of course there are many cultural differences and some of them are sometimes really annoying. If you're wearing a short skirt you can't pass a group of young Turkish guys without getting a comment. But in total there are more positive things about living in Kreuzberg like cheap food, flats and bars, street markets with southern flair, and fantastic fresh vegetables and fruits." [...] ifa.de

To: tejek who wrote (256542)	10/21/2005 5:31:16 AM
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Re: in fact, I find it rather peculiar all the animosity that developed in Yugoslavia after Tito died and that Belgium still is so geographically divided between the Flemish and the Walloons.....as just one of many examples. Indeed, you find it "peculiar" precisely because you Americans are clueless about true multiculturalism! Serbs, Croats and Bosnians all belong to the same (slavic) race/ethnic group and speak the same language: Serbo-Croat() and yet, precisely because they belong to different cultures, they keep vying against each other, sometimes violently. Ditto with Belgium: both Flemings and Walloons are white and mainly Catholic, yet speak different languages and belong to different Kulturs (the Latin Kultur for Walloons and the Germanic one for Flemings). It's precisely because the US has built up a (multiracial) monoculture that it's impervious to the kind of internecine cultural strifes that roil Europe... However, such a monolithic state of cultural affairs is being challenged by Hispanic immigration and the prospect of turning the US monoculture into a "biculture".... Just because the European nexus of 25 different cultures is conflictual and fraught with warfare doesn't mean that Europe is not multicultural!!! Actually, the obverse is true: if, like the US, the European white monolith were an uneventful bliss THEN you'd be correct to construe it as a "white monoculture". As for my claim that Europe --as a multicultural white monolith-- is way ahead of the US, just imagine for a moment that the 50 states that make up the United States of America were to each other like the 25 European states are to each other... get the picture? The 50 united states of America would have 50 different languages, 50 different histories, 50 different traditions, 50 different peoples! That's what multiculturalism is all about. Gus () Ethnic Origin [...] Excepting the Albanians (whose genetic origin is essentially Illyrian), it can thus be said that the Slovenes, the Croats, the Bosnians, the Serbs, the Montenegrins, and the Macedonians all share the same principal ethnic origin that goes back to the 7th century migration of the Southern Slavs. The name Yugoslavia meaning "Land of the Southern Slavs" refers to that basic fact. Language The Serbs, the Montenegrins, the Bosnians and the Croats share the same language but the Serbs and Montenegrins write it with the Cyrillic alphabet and the Croats use Latin characters. It was called Serbo-Croatian until the break-up of the Yugoslav Federation but the Serbs now call it Serbian, the Croats call it Croatian and the Bosnians call it Bosnian. The Slovene and Macedonian languages are subtle variations of the Slavonic language that all original Southern Slavs spoke. They are closer to Serbo-Croat than Spanish is to French and only a little more different than American is to English. [snip] berclo.net