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To: elmatador who wrote (1462)	10/23/2005 12:40:53 AM
From: energyplay	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 218559

I was pointing out that numerous governments had done nasty human experiments. I'm not endorsing doing really nasty experiments on people. Even people I don't like. Except people who cut me off in traffic. Actual experiments are still needed in many fields. Here's one where real world experiments were essential : theonion.com

To: elmatador who wrote (1462)	10/23/2005 3:14:56 AM
From: Elroy Jetson	Respond to of 218559

There are many reasons to doubt the effectiveness of current H5N1 vaccines. We have a great deal of experience in producing vaccines for H3N2, the regular annual flu. Even with this experience, "sophisticated" computer models, and animal testing, the vaccines issued occasionally offer little protection. Other than a recent H5N1 vaccine for animals, we have no experience with producing a vaccine. The scientists who have created these vaccines have little faith they will be effective. Hungary has imprudently decided to claim that their vaccine is "effective" against H5N1. This sort of boasting should be viewed with the same skepticism reserved for new gasoline additives which triple your gas mileage and people who have developed "foolproof" methods to beat the stock market. .