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To: Elroy Jetson who wrote (43632)	10/26/2005 1:03:56 AM
From: marcher	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 306849

Well, if you don't mind, I would like to step into your discussion about education and muddy the water a bit. Arizona State University professor David Berliner's recent analysis of high-stakes testing finds that family and youth poverty has a huge effect on educational performance. Following this, I would say that it is much more difficult to educate children of poor communities than those of not-poor communities. OK, so this seems like a no-brainer. Berliner further shows that poverty is directly related to race and that white students in the U.S. score very well on international tests. So, given that the educational system is good for white students, should we still be nodding to the political spin that our educational system is failing? Or, is the deeper politic a focus on education in order to avoid the dreaded poverty issue? Hey, look at that big bird over there! The more closely I look at national and international comparisons, the less confidence I have in them, however. One thing that concerns me is population sampling. For example, in one study U.S. high school students are compared to Korean students. But, it appears that only 50% of Korean high school aged children attend high school. In a case like this, the general population of U.S. students are being compared to an elite group of Korean students. There is no good reason to believe that all U.S. students should score higher that the top 50% of Korean students.

To: Elroy Jetson who wrote (43632)	10/28/2005 1:32:58 AM
From: David Jones	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 306849

>>>>George W. Bush, the "education president", spent $15,600 per student of State money in Texas<<<<< I wouldn't mind seeing that broken down. Likely there's plenty of political bs number fabrication in there just like in California's. >>>>I can understand this means little to you since you don't see value in education.<<<< What would you expect after witnessing the less than stellar use you make of your supposed education? Political leanings and fanatic grasping to the same are not measures of education Elroy. Something you've fail to comprehend even though you claim to be an educated man. >>>>But you will pay for this all the same.<<<< Now your being silly. >>>>I know you'll point out that we no longer need to earn anything since we can simply get a larger Home Equity Loan to pay for things.<<<< And even sillier. >>>>If you prefer to live in a Third World nation like Mexico where they don't throw money away on education, you should move to Mexico where people have long shared your preferences.<<< And the hits keep on coming! I point out how the accounting of monies for education in California is derived. And you use that costly education of yours to bury yourself in stupid unrelated tangents. Are you off your prozac or just looking for some fun?