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To: TigerPaw who wrote (4725)	11/1/2005 8:18:08 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 541519

1 - If the British told the US government that Saddam Hussien did such a thing then Bush mentioning it wasn't a lie, even if the information passed along was known by the British to be false. 2 - Even if it was a deliberate lie that doesn't support your contention that "No President has made such and out-and-out deliberate lie in the SOTU before." 3 - Even if it was a lie, and such a lie had never been made in a SOTU address before, there is no legal support in the constitution or our laws to call the lie perjury or treason. If you think it was a horrible disgraceful lie than the proper response is to vote for someone else (which I'm fairly sure you did). Tim

To: TigerPaw who wrote (4725)	11/1/2005 10:14:15 PM
From: jlallen	Respond to of 541519

Baloney....only morons with advanced BDS state this crapola as fact........ Get a life you worthless POS. What a freakin' moron you are... J.

To: TigerPaw who wrote (4725)	11/2/2005 2:19:46 AM
From: Sully-	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541519

That's pure revisionist history. I'm shocked it took more than 5 days before anyone challenged that thoroughly discredited myth. No matter how you want to spin it, Bush didn't lie. The British Gov't to this day stands behind their intelligence on this. The Senate Intelligence Committee also reported we had intelligence to support that statement too. Both reports have been public for more than a year. ** Both a bipartisan report of the U.S. Senate Committee on Intelligence and a British investigation of prewar intelligence have confirmed that when Bush uttered those famous 16 words in a 5,400-word State of the Union, his statement was "well-founded" based on intelligence that was then, and is now, credible. "It is accepted by all parties that Iraqi officials visited Niger in 1999. The British government had intelligence from several different sources indicating that this visit was for the purpose of acquiring uranium. Since uranium comprises almost three-quarters of Niger's exports, the intelligence was credible." "We conclude also that the statement in President Bush's State of the Union Address of 28 January 2003 that 'The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa' was well- founded." Was Prime Minister Tony Blair also lying when he told the British Parliament in 2003: "In the 1980s, Iraq purchased somewhere in the region of 200 or more tons of uranium from Niger. The evidence that we had that the Iraq government had gone back to try to purchase further amounts of uranium from Niger did not come from so-called forged documents; they came from separate intelligence." [T]he Senate Select Committee on Intelligence later determined: [Wilson's] intelligence report indicated that former Nigerien Prime Minister Ibrahim Mayaki was unaware of any contracts that had been signed between Niger and any rogue states for the sale of yellowcake while he was Prime Minister (1997-1999) or Foreign Minister (1996- 1997). Mayaki said that if there had been any such contract during his tenure, he would have been aware of it. Mayaki said, however, that in June 1999,(REDACTED) businessman, approached him and insisted that Mayaki meet with an Iraqi delegation to discuss "expanding commercial relations" between Niger and Iraq. The intelligence report said that Mayaki interpreted "expanding commercial relations" to mean that the delegation wanted to discuss uranium yellowcake sales. The intelligence report also said that "although the meeting took place, Mayaki let the matter drop due to the UN sanctions on Iraq." Mayaki did not need telepathy to make this deduction. The CIA factbook shows that Niger has four exports: livestock, cowpeas, onions, and uranium. It takes a great deal of imagination and a certain degree of obtuseness to believe that Saddam Hussein would send a secret, back-channel negotiating team to get his hands on Nigerien cowpeas. Only one export from Niger was subject to UN sanctions - yellowcake (uranium).** Message 21833577 paragraph 490 - 499 butlerreview.org.uk weeklystandard.com globalsecurity.org cia.gov