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To: abstract who wrote (62825)	10/28/2005 12:58:40 PM
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It's a sad day for America. A little more than 2 years ago, Joseph Wilson wrote an Op/Ed piece for the New York Times. In it Wilson essentially asserted that President Bush lied in the State of the Union Address when Bush said; "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa" Wilson claimed, ET AL, that VP Cheney sent Wilson to Niger to check out whether Iraq had attempted to obtain yellowcake. Wilson said he found no evidence to support those claims. Soon thereafter the Washington Post & the New York Times used Wilson as a main source for stories that blasted the Bush Admin for misleading us into a war with Iraq. Wilson spoke publicly on numerous occasions & more allegations were added to the list. He denied repeatedly his wife had anything to do with him being sent to Niger. He continued to assert his trip to Nigeria found nothing. Wilson also claimed that the Bush Admin relied on forged documents to make the Iraq uranium purchase claim. The alleged documents were classified & Joseph Wilson did not have the requisite clearance to be given access to the documents. This fact did not matter to the MSM. Nope, they churned out hundreds if not thousands of stories attacking the Bush Admin for using faulty information to go to war. Then came Robert Novak's column that mentioned Wilson's wife Valerie Plame, a CIA Analyst had suggested her husband go to Niger. Now the Bush Admin tried to get the truth out. They talked to the MSM about the facts. They said that Joseph Wilson was not being truthful about a lot of things. Among them was the fact that VP Cheney did not send Wilson to Niger. Soon thereafter, the CIA referred a case to the Justice dept about this "leak". A special prosecutor, Patrick Fitzgerald was assigned the case. Meanwhile the Senate Intelligence Committee completed its report. Their findings irrefutably established that most of Joseph Wilson's assertions about the Bush Admin were treacherous lies. They found that information from Wilson's trip actually bolstered the claim that Saddam sought uranium from Niger. They Found that VP Cheney did not send Wilson on the trip. They found that Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame was directly involved in getting the assignment for her (left wing, anti-war) husband. They found that Joseph Wilson could not have seen the forged documents & his account of them was false (and the Bush Admin did not rely on them). Almost all of Wilson's public attacks on the Bush Admin were blatant lies. And they were directly related to a decision about going to war. Indeed, they were treacherous lies. However, for some reason, the MSM & the DNC did not go public & denounce Joseph Wilson for his repeated acts of treachery. For the most part they went silent on the unanimous findings from the Senate Intelligence Committee. Instead they framed the the issue that the Bush Admin was seeking retribution against Wilson by "outing" his wife who was an undercover covert agent for the CIA. And they continued to repeat Joseph Wilson's now discredited lies as if they were still credible. And today VP Cheney's senior advisor, Lewis Libby was indicted. No, he wasn't indicted for "outing" an undercover covert CIA agent. It seems that the investigation found no crime there. Instead it seems that Libby gave conflicting information to the Grand Jury. And the MSM & DNC continue to claim that Bush misled America into war. No doubt liberals everywhere are tittering about the "culture of corruption" in the White House. Yes it's a sad day for America. They have no idea how badly they have been misled. Worse still, they have no idea who has misled them or where the real culture of corruption lies.

To: abstract who wrote (62825)	10/30/2005 11:30:12 AM
From: Sully-	Respond to of 65232

As predicted, Joseph Wilson & the MSM continue to pass off Wilson's thoroughly discredited lies in their ongoing efforts to bring down the Bush Admin. From protein wisdom: In the LA Times today, Joe Wilson once again tries to turn his shopworn lies into truths by sheer force of will and repetition—and with the help of legacy media editors who are so committed to the tolerance of alternate “truths" that they can’t bring themselves to demand opinion pieces be grounded in facts that are objectively provable. Here’s Wilson: <<< I knew that the statement in Bush’s speech — that Iraq had attempted to purchase significant quantities of uranium in Africa — was not true. I knew it was false from my own investigative trip to Africa (at the request of the CIA) and from two other similar intelligence reports. And I knew that the White House knew it. >>> This is, of course, utter bullshit—but then, to Wilson, “truth” is whatever he can make people believe it to be, and he’s got millions of willing acolytes ready to insist along with him that his lies are true, and to defend and embrace him even after he’s been proven a self-aggrandizing liar time and time and time again. Here’s Patterico, expressing the appropriate outrage: Lyin’ Joe, it is highly ironic that a liar like you would accuse the White House of lying. You lied about whether you had debunked the “sixteen words” claim. You lied about whether the White House was told about your findings. You lied about whether your wife recommended you for the trip. And you lied to various journalists about having determined that the relevant documents were forged — seeing as how you had never seen these documents at the time you talked to those journalists. Full details here and here and in the links cited therein; I’m getting tired of repeating myself. http://patterico.com/2005/07/16/3332/yet-another-false-factual-assertion-in-an-la-times-letter-to-the-editor/ patterico.com Yup, me too. But so long as Joe Wilson isn’t, we’re going to need to keep doing it anyway. **** update: Joseph Wilson: “MY FAMILY AND I JUST WISH TO BE LEFT ALONE! PRIVACY! PLEASE! I BESEECH YOU!” newsbusters.org (h/t Cole) proteinwisdom.com /weblog/oh_yeah_well_im_so_tired_of_repeating_myself_that_im_just_going_to_cut_and/ latimes.com factcheck.org weeklystandard.com intelligence.senate.gov weeklystandard.com

To: abstract who wrote (62825)	10/30/2005 1:33:44 PM
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Maher has never even heard about the report’s findings on Wilson’s credibility! That’s probably because he gets his news from the newspapers..... ....Of course, the other panelists and the audience were all on Maher’s side. All Snow had was the facts. But to this viewer, it was no contest. The facts won..... Tony Snow Exposes Bill Maher As Clueless Moron By Patterico on Morons Like a rubbernecker drawn to a train wreck, I am drawn towards that Bill Maher show. He’s one of those people you love to hate, and his show is most interesting when he has someone articulate on his show who opposes his point of view. So I watched when Christopher Hitchens was on recently. And I watched last night when Tony Snow was on. Tony absolutely ripped Maher up. He exposed Maher for the clueless fraud he is. And he did it with a smile. It was an amazing performance. If you have HBO, you have to watch it in reruns this week. The other guests were Billy Connolly and some reporter I never heard of named Nadira Hira. But Snow dominated the show. I knew Tony was going to be good when, early on, he was explaining that Lyin’ Joe Wilson is not quite the honest hero that everyone on the left seems to think he is. Tony explained that the Senate Intelligence Committee Report had found that Wilson had made a few statements that weren’t quite, you know, true. You could see an unsettled muttering in the audience: could this really be true? And, apparently, someone in the audience yelled: “Bullshit!” Tony turned toward the audience and said (everything in this post is a paraphrase): You go and read the Senate Intelligence Committee Report before you call bullshit. Then come back and we’ll talk. Maher didn’t seem to understand what was going on, and had Snow explain. Tony explained again that the Senate Intelligence Committee Report had found that Wilson was not entirely straightforward (to say the least) in his criticism of Bush. Maher had clearly never heard this before. He said: well, I don’t know that that’s true. Maher has never even heard about the report’s findings on Wilson’s credibility! That’s probably because he gets his news from the newspapers. Snow ate Maher’s lunch on several other issues as well, such as the relative profit margins of oil companies relative to other industries, the superior test scores of home-schooled children, and many other topics. There were times when Maher was actually speechless — as if he had suddenly realized that Snow knows more than he does about almost everything. Of course, the other panelists and the audience were all on Maher’s side. All Snow had was the facts. But to this viewer, it was no contest. The facts won. And Tony didn’t come off like a prig or a lecturer, either — just a whip-smart guy with a good sense of humor who doesn’t back down. Great stuff. Try to catch it this week if you can. patterico.com washingtonpost.com live.psu.edu