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To: American Spirit who wrote (46095)10/29/2005 6:10:48 AM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 93284
 
Four More Years -- Courtesy of Judy Miller

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To: American Spirit who wrote (46095)10/29/2005 6:34:54 AM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 93284
 
The way Fitzgerald is talking about Rove is the same way he talked about corrupt former IL Governor George Ryan, right before he indicted him

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by John in DC - 10/28/2005 11:30:00 PM

Fitz even called Ryan "Official A". :-)

It's confirmed: Rove is STILL under investigation
by John in DC - 10/28/2005 10:35:00 PM

I'm finally watching ABC News' World News Tonight and they're describing how Patrick Fitzgerald caught Scooter Libby lying. Scooter said that Tim Russert told him about Plame and that Scooter did not mention Plame to Matt Cooper of Judith Miller.

Then they show a clip of Fitzgerald say the following about Libby:

He was at the beginning of the chain of the phone calls [to the reporters], the first official to disclose this information outside the government to a reporter.

Did you catch that? Libby was the FIRST official to disclose Valerie Plame's identity outside the government to a reporter. So Fitzgerald sounds like he just confirmed that he did in fact find evidence that a second US government official disclosed Plame's identity to a reporter. We assume that the second official, of course, would be Karl Rove.

Whether or not we all just "know" that Karl disclosed her identity to a reporter, especially because the papers say his lawyer told them as much, it's quite another thing for the Republican special prosecutor to confirm that fact.

Then take a look at tomorrow's Washington Post story that just came out minutes ago (I was literally about to publish this point when Joe called to alert me to the Post article):
Karl Rove, the president's top strategist, narrowly escaped indictment after providing new information during eleventh-hour negotiations with Special Counsel Patrick J. Fitzgerald but could still be charged in the case, according to three people familiar with the talks. A source close to Rove said the senior strategist's fate will be known soon....

The 22-page indictment leaves open the possibility of more bad news to come: the specter of a public trial featuring top White House officials and the chance of more indictments in the weeks ahead....

If he decides to seek charges against Rove, Fitzgerald would present the evidence to a new grand jury because the one that indicted Libby expired yesterday and its term cannot be extended.

"The Special Counsel has advised Mr. Rove that he has made no decision about whether or not to bring charges," Rove's attorney, Robert Luskin, said in a statement....

A source close to Rove added, "There is still the chance that Mr. Rove could face indictment." Lawyers involved in the case said Fitzgerald is likely to put pressure on Libby to provide evidence against Rove or other potential targets.
That melds perfectly with Fitzgerald talking today about the "first" official.

And finally, why were other government officials today referred to as "the vice president, someone from the White House press office, an undersecretary at State," while Karl Rove was refered to in the indictment as "Official A." That sounds like the kind of term you use for a co-conspirator who you don't want to mention yet.

I'm not counting my eggs yet, but this is getting very interesting.

AP's sources say "Official A" is Rove
by Joe in DC - 10/28/2005 07:40:00 PM

Karl Rove has been identified by AP's sources as "Official A" who is a prominent player in the Libby indictment:
Friday's indictment says "Official A" is a "senior official in the White House who advised Libby on July 10 or 11 of 2003" about a chat with Novak about his upcoming column in which Plame would be identified as a CIA employee.

Late Friday, three people close to the investigation, each asking to remain unidentified because of grand jury secrecy, identified Rove as Official A.

Don't Forget: Dick Cheney Lied
by Michael in New York - 10/28/2005 06:47:00 PM

One-time political strategist Dick Morris makes a good point in his NY Post Op-Ed: whatever the outcome of the indictments, Dick Cheney has some explaining to do. If the NYT and the grand jury is right (and there's certainly a preponderance of circumstantial evidence), Scooter's source for the info on Joe Wilson's wife was not the media but officials in the Administration and the Vice President himself. Cheney knew this and kept quiet about it for two years -- misleading the public and possibly the President.

Assuming the Times has its facts right, the burden of proof shifts to Cheney. It is incumbent on him to explain why he let his chief of staff mislead the public — for two years, including the entire 2004 presidential campaign.

There may be an innocent explanation for the veep's silence, or the Times may be wrong. But Dick Cheney owes us all an explanation.

So, Dick, got anything to say? Not to mention Scottie and the President himself. What did they know and when did they know it?



To: American Spirit who wrote (46095)10/29/2005 7:00:44 AM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 93284
 
Carl Bernstein Finds Plame Parallels To Watergate

By Joe Strupp

Published: October 27, 2005 7:30 AM ET

NEW YORK As the anticipation over possible indictments in the Valerie Plame case reaches excruciating levels, Watergate legend Carl Bernstein warns that comparisons to the case that made him famous more than 30 years ago must be viewed carefully.

Still, the former Washington Post reporter who shared a Pulitzer Prize for helping to expose the Nixon administration's wrongdoing says some parallels can be drawn between the two investigations, particularly the way both helped uncover extended dishonesty in the White House.

"We are obviously watching and the press is beginning to document the implosion of a presidency," Bernstein said Thursday, just hours before the Plame grand jury is set to expire. "How destructive that implosion is going to be, ultimately, we don't know yet.

"But what the Plame leak investigation has unveiled is what the press should have been focusing on long before and without let up--how we went to war, the dishonesty involved in that process in terms of what the president and vice-president told the American people and the Congress, and the routine smearing by members of the Bush administration of people who questioned their actions and motives."

Bernstein compared that to the way the Watergate investigation uncovered widespread dishonesty in the Nixon administration in a similar way. "Beware of exact comparisons," he said. "However, in Watergate, the cover-up of the role of Nixon's aides in the Watergate break-in led to the discovery by the press and the political institutions of the larger crimes -- the so called 'White House horrors' -- meaning the constitutional crimes of the president and his men.

"In the case of the disclosure of the identity of Valerie Plame, there also has been a political cover-up, not necessarily a criminal one, having to do with the question of how we went to war and the smearing of this administration's opponents," he added. "The question of whether or not there is criminal culpability by Lewis Libby or Karl Rove is less-important, I believe, than the fact that their actions have finally shed light on questions that long ago should have been examined much more closely by the press and the political establishment, and particularly the president's fellow Republicans."

Bernstein found a similarity there as well, noting "in the Nixon administration, courageous Republicans decided it was important that the president's actions be scrutinized and that hasn't occurred in large measure (in the Plame case). But the implosion that seems to be occurring would indicate that that kind of scrutiny might be on the way."

Citing the Plame case's connection to the Iraq War, and the lies that led up to U.S. involvement, Bernstein found another similarity to Watergate. "The long range interests of the country are affected every bit as much by the (Iraq) war as (by) the events of Watergate," he declared. "What we are seeing is a broad question of the honesty of how we got into this war and the honesty of a presidency."

When asked how the special prosecutors in the Watergate case compared to Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald's work in the Plame matter, Bernstein zeroed in on his subpoenaing of reporters to testify. "Most of our sources in Watergate were in the Nixon administration and some of them probably broke the law," he said. "I think the unfortunate thing about this special prosecutor's investigation is that it took him hauling reporters in to court before a lot of the relevant questions about the president were raised in the press."

That delay in press alertness, he said, was similar in both the Watergate case and the Plame matter. "It took a long time for the press to stay with the story of Watergate and it has taken the press a long time to stay with the story of this presidency's truthfulness and how it went to war."

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To: American Spirit who wrote (46095)10/29/2005 11:07:38 AM
From: tonto  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 93284
 
Wrong. Jack Quinn was Marc Rich's attorney as well as Bill Clinton's..

A host of witnesses connected to the pardon of Rich, the fugitive financier whose clemency kicked off the furor about how Bill Clinton used his pardon power, have already either been before the grand jury in New York or have been interviewed by White's prosecutors, according to lawyers close to the case. Beth Dozoretz, a friend of Clinton and Denise Rich, testified in grand jury proceedings earlier this month and will be returning for another appearance. Jack Quinn, an attorney for Marc Rich who took the pardon plea to the President, also testified, as did another Rich lawyer, Robert Fink. Beth Nolan, the former White House counsel who opposed the Rich pardon, agreed to talk to White's prosecutors outside of the grand jury.

Libby was also Marc Rich's attorney so the Bushies can no longer attack Clinton for his Marc Rich pardon. Libby was the attorney who wrangled the pardon.

Bill Clinton, Chump
Jacob Weisberg
Posted Wednesday, Feb. 14, 2001, at 1:54 PM PT

Marc Rich
Why did Bill Clinton pardon Marc Rich? The most damning interpretation, offered by congressional Republicans and conservative commentators, is outright corruption: Clinton was either rewarding or anticipating massive contributions to his presidential library in Little Rock from Rich and/or his ex-wife, Denise Rich. The most forgiving views are that Clinton was either pursuing a foreign policy objective, granting a favor to then-Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, or that he simply goofed, acting on impulse without really understanding the facts of the case.

None of these explanations, or even a combination of them, it seems to me, comes close to fully encompassing the sheer folly of the act. Criminal quid pro quo bargains, often suspected, seldom actually occur in politics. The Rich pardon wasn't likely to help Barak either in selling a peace accord to the Israeli public or in winning re-election. And we know that Clinton did get some sound political advice, from his close friend Bruce Lindsey among others, about the risks of pardoning Rich.

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Moreover, Clinton had to be thinking about how the Rich pardon might be seen. As we often heard during the last few years, Bill Clinton was intensely focused on strengthening his presidential "legacy." In many ways, his hard work since 1998 had allowed him to transcend the Monica Lewinsky scandal and impeachment. Then, with a single stroke of the pen, Clinton turned an aura of forgiveness and national appreciation into a tsunami of disgust. Even longtime defenders voiced their revulsion at what he had done. This reaction, if not the depth and longevity of the scandal, was entirely predictable. Rich was a wealthy fugitive from American justice with a spot on the FBI's 10 most-wanted list. He hadn't admitted guilt, been punished, or demonstrated contrition. Clinton had to realize that pardoning him was a sure-fire way to generate public outrage.

What does come a bit closer to making sense of the Rich pardon is one of Bill Clinton's less legendary character flaws: gullibility. Clinton is, to be sure, a brilliant man and a shrewd politician with a keen sense of where the interests of others lie. But throughout his career, he has often shown himself to be a poor judge of character. A naturally trusting fellow with a deep craving for approval, Bill Clinton is, to be blunt, a bit of a sucker. More precisely, he's an easy mark for a certain type of hustler. Once convinced that someone is his friend, Clinton drops his guard and ignores crucial signals of intended exploitation. After it becomes clear that such a friend has taken advantage of his trust, Clinton feels bitterly betrayed. But he's hardly savvier the next time someone with dubious motives shows up at his doorstep.

This figure of the genial swindler, the manipulative charmer appears again and again in Clinton's biography. First there was the bald man in the ice cream suit, James McDougal. When McDougal, who described himself as a "con artist," offered to make him some easy money, Clinton neglected to question either McDougal's motives or his abilities. Another example is Gennifer Flowers circa 1991. Even as he suspected that his former mistress would sell him out, Clinton unburdened himself into her tape recorder. Yet another is Dick Morris, who promised Clinton political salvation, helped to deliver it in 1996, then turned on his client. Looking at these episodes, you have to wonder why Clinton didn't exhibit the natural instinct of self-protection.

The latest "friend" to take advantage of Clinton's naiveté is Jack Quinn. As a former White House counsel, a man privy to personal and presidential secrets, Quinn had Clinton's trust. When he arrived to ask his former client for a favor on behalf a current client, Clinton did not suspect that Quinn might be abusing their relationship. As a result, Quinn royally fleeced him. Abusing his rare access, he acted not as a Clinton loyalist but as a Washington hired gun. He got what he wanted and left Clinton holding the bag.

Quinn was quite shrewd in the way he did his work. In letters and direct discussion, he presented Clinton with one side of the Rich case, highlighting the arguments that he knew would appeal to the president. He played on Clinton's own sense of victimization by telling him that Rich was a victim not just of prosecutorial excess but of the special prosecutorial excess of Rudy Giuliani. Quinn misled Clinton into believing that Rich was not technically a fugitive from justice. He orchestrated pleas for sympathy from Rich's ex-wife and daughter as well as from other public figures he thought Clinton would respond to. Meanwhile, Quinn did his best to prevent the president from getting the other side of the story. He used his knowledge of how the White House worked to make sure that the pardon office at the Justice Department didn't get involved until the 11th hour.

Today, Clinton is said to feel deeply betrayed by Quinn. To which one can only respond, why did you trust him? There's an old expression that says you can't bullshit a bullshitter. But sometimes the opposite is true: Someone who isn't trustworthy neglects to mistrust others. This seems to be the case with Clinton. Manipulative but not cynical, he assumes that other gregarious sweet-talkers mean no harm. Faced with someone who wants him to do something, he assumes the best of motives, not the worst. And that leaves the door wide open for a lushly connected influence peddler like Jack Quinn.

Some on the right have focused on Hillary Clinton's role in the Rich pardon, assuming that any corrupt deal with Democratic contributors must have involved her as well. But the evidence thus far suggests that Sen. Clinton wasn't involved in the decision. Indeed, in the fascinating trove of documents subpoenaed and released by the House Government Affairs Committee, there is some insightful e-mail reporting on the views of Denise Rich and her friend Beth Dozoretz, a Clinton friend and Democratic Party fund-raiser who pushed for the pardon. In one message, Rich's New York lawyer passes along a warning from Denise Rich and "her friend" (Dozoretz) not to approach the first lady or even discuss the case in front of her. The two thought involving Hillary would backfire. In this, Rich and Dozoretz were probably showing shrewd character judgment. Unlike her husband, Hillary Clinton is deeply suspicious by nature (especially when it comes to busty blondes engaged in late-night tête-à-têtes with her husband). For Sen. Clinton, once burned is twice shy. She does not assume that people who have helped her in the past have her best interests at heart.

There are institutional mechanisms that exist to protect a president from the kind of mistake Bill Clinton made in the Rich case--in this case a Justice Department pardon office, a White House counsel's office, and lots of formal and informal White House advisers. So what explains the way Clinton's personal credulity prevailed over the systemic checks? I think the answer lies in the former president's familiar impulse to self-destruction. This impulse is not omnipresent, but rather emerges according to a pattern. Clinton struggles mightily to recover from a deep setback, such as the loss of Congress in 1994 or impeachment. Then, just when he seems to have regained the public support he lost, he brainlessly throws it away again. Then he begins the process of painstaking reconstruction once more.

With Clinton at low ebb, the cycle is shifting again. You saw it yesterday, when Clinton walked through Harlem, rallying die-hard loyalists as he declared his intention to abandon the pricey digs in Midtown Manhattan and set up his post-presidential shop on 125th Street instead. Clinton rises, falls, and comes back again, and again and again. Why not be more careful and sensible in the first place? Forgive the pop-psych speculation, but I would suggest that Clinton's last screw-up was of a piece with his self-dramatizing, barely voluntary departure from the White House. At some level, he doesn't want the country to put him behind it or "move on." It's as if he'd rather have our attention for screwing up than not have our attention at all.
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