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To: greenspirit who wrote (173716)	10/31/2005 11:17:01 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

The public has already turned away in revulsion- at the war. You can attack the democrats- but you might as well turn your ire on the American people, because they are against this war now. When you sway the American people with lies and emotionalism, sometimes it won't stick. Like this time. ........... U.S. INVOLVEMENT IN IRAQ Public opinion is now fairly solidly against the war in Iraq. More than half of Americans – 55% - think the U.S. should have stayed out of Iraq (the highest figure to date), while 41% think taking military action there was the right thing to do. As the war began, Americans overwhelmingly approved of U.S. action against Iraq; 69% said the U.S. did the right thing in taking military action (the highest level of support in our polls for the war). Support for the war waned in 2004. CBS) Public support for U.S. involvement in Iraq continues to fall. By two to one, Americans reject financing the war through an increased federal deficit, and 62% would finance paying for the rebuilding of the Gulf Coast by cutting spending in Iraq. cbsnews.com Damn those American citizens and their pesky opinions.

To: greenspirit who wrote (173716)	10/31/2005 12:04:03 PM
From: cnyndwllr	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

Cummings, re: Leahy's words lighted up a deep, dark secret that this nation would rather forget. Defeat in Vietnam was a catastrophe for the U.S., a body-slam to the nation's self-confidence. It was far worse for Southeast Asians, who were exiled, imprisoned, tortured and murdered by their vicious communist conquerors. What an idiot that op ed writer is. It was a "catastrophe" to lose in Vietnam? It was "far worse" for the SE Asians? And no discussion of the cost of the alternative of "staying the course? It doesn't get any more stupid than that. Let me help you out. We spent hundreds of billions of dollars in S Vietnam, we lost almost 60,000 American soldiers DEAD, and hundreds of thousands injured. MILLIONS of Vietnamese died, some say 6 million while others say 2-3 million. Most of the dead Vietnamese were civilians. AND IT WAS GETTING WORSE, NOT BETTER, WHEN WE ESCALATED THE CONFLICT. The only frigging catastrophe was starting it and then not stopping it when we should have realized we were doing more harm than good there. I'm getting tired of responding to your shotgun drivel. It's foolish to try to discuss any important issue with someone who can't stay on topic and keeps changing the subject from one bankrupt notion to another. Ed

To: greenspirit who wrote (173716)	10/31/2005 12:43:25 PM
From: Peter Dierks	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

"This nation will abandon the Democratic Party before it abandons Iraq. Polls show American uneasiness about the war. Naturally. The fighting is dirty and dangerous. But the U.S. is a God-fearing nation; we are proving that by battling to spread justice. Polls also suggest that Americans are resolved to fight in Iraq until the job is done." Absolutely. This is what the anti American left cannot fathom. they have been abandoned by the mainstream. Remember it took years of hammering by the anti Americans and the anti American press to create the loss grasp from the jaws of victory in Vietnam. This time Americans can see the milestones towards freedom. If the situation were to stay static for several years Americans would want out of Iraq too.

To: greenspirit who wrote (173716)	10/31/2005 12:48:48 PM
From: Keith Feral	Respond to of 281500

We have an easy goal to define in Iraq - put the Shiites back into power. We are helping the Kurds in the North and the Shiites in the South. We are setting up a new government that will share the oil wealth with the Sunnis in the central part of the country. I think we are slowly realizing all of these accomplishments. I don't think there was any goals in the Vietnam war. We didn't know anything about the people we were fighting. I think the same would be true if we tried to fight a war in Iran or North Korea. You can't fight a war with an entire nation that would be united against you. The only thing to do in these circumstances is contain the enemy. You can't go into Iran to wipe out the new President, there is absolutely no one there to support you. This is why nuclear weapons are a useful deterrent to keep psychotic leaders from launching unilateral attacks for the glory of his people.

To: greenspirit who wrote (173716)	10/31/2005 3:45:36 PM
From: geode00	Respond to of 281500

Utter Blather. Republicans started this war on lies, Republicans ran it into the ground, Republicans are 100% responsible for this war. It's too late to blame it on anyone else no matter how much you wish to run and hide in the closet. No matter what anyone else does from here on out, Republicans are the ultimate responsible party for going to war based on a PACK OF LIES. This is such typical Republican behavior: mess up everything and then run home and point the finger at someone else. GROW UP. Oh yeah, the US MILITARY says that it cannot win in Iraq. It has been saying that for a very long time now. This is the US Military talking, not Leahy, not anyone else...the guys on the ground tackling a ragtag group of third worlders with the biggest, most expensive military operation in the history of the world. How stupid and vulnerable and out to lunch do you think this makes us look? Add the Valerie Plame fiasco and its horrendous blow to human intelligence, and the US of A is open to be pounded by our enemies. We're not more secure under Bush, we're more vulnerable than ever. We need competent adults in the White House, not the drunken black sheep n'er do well deserter.