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To: RetiredNow who wrote (257741)	11/1/2005 10:31:47 AM
From: Elroy	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1576022

Get real and stop trying to defend the Arabs on relativistic merits. There is no comparison and there should be no tolerance for the hateful culture they have created. I'm not defending the Arabs as much as criticizing the Israelis. Why don't you think the Israelis are the killers since they kill Palestinians at a rate of something like 3 to 1? The numbers in terms of murders are not on Israel's side you know. Why do you think the Israelis have a "right" to establish a Jewish country in traditionally Arab/Muslim land and think the Arab/Muslim population isn't entitled to resist it? When all the neighbor countries voted against Israel's establishment, what right did they have other than that bestowed by their guns? What about the idea of establishing a Jewish nation in the middle of Japan or and Arab nation in Michigan - they would be equally resisted - does that prove Japanese and Americans are a bunch of hateful killers? Our stance against Cuba is based on the fact that Castro is a dictator and he oppresses the Cubans, abuses human rights, and restricts freedom. Israel abuses Palestinian human rights, denies them citizenship and restricts their freedoms, all on the basis of nothing more than religion. That's OK with you, but Castro is bad?

To: RetiredNow who wrote (257741)	11/1/2005 11:56:51 AM
From: bentway	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1576022

"the Jews have just as much of a right to create a state for themselves in Israel, as all the Muslims have to create states surrounding Israel:" Do they have the "right" to seize Arab land and banish Arabs to do so? Did "God" grant them this right? Before Zionism, Jews lived peacefully with their neighbors comprising less than 5% of the population of Palestine. Even the local Christians outnumbered them, to say nothing of the local Muslims. The Zionists considered creating Israel in Africa or S. America, by just buying available land, but the "land grant from God" faction won out. How different could history have been!

To: RetiredNow who wrote (257741)	11/1/2005 12:05:04 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1576022

No, I don't understand, because your facts are wrong. Jews have been living in Israel for at least 10,000 years. So yes, that whole region has more Muslims than Jews, but the Jews have just as much of a right to create a state for themselves in Israel, as all the Muslims have to create states surrounding Israel: Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Iran, Turkey, Afghanistan, etc. Christians have lived in that part of the world for 2000 years. Do you think its okay to walk into say Turkey, take some of its land and set up a Christian state? ted