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To: Road Walker who wrote (257924)	11/1/2005 8:34:24 PM
From: RetiredNow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1574309

Here's my problem with the Jews and Muslims. Both want sovereign states dominated by their religion. I've debated this before, but my fundamental belief is that is the flaw in both of their cultures. You can't have a country that is dominated by religion and at the same time respect all religions. It's good in theory, but it doesn't seem to work very well. That is why we see the Jews embattled in Israel and why we see Muslim countries for the most part failing to protect their religious minorities. On the other hand, that is why in the U.S. freedom of religion is the norm. The last few years notwithstanding, we've been able to keep religion out of politics and in the churches, mosques, and temples, where it belongs. The other thing that has made us more successful is that we believe in certain inalienable rights, among those, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Those folks in the Middle East are forever going to have problems until they grow up and decide that it's ok for others to believe in whatever religion they want to, and that religion is only a good thing if it includes as its foundation life, liberty, and respect for other people, regardless of their religion. Any religion that focuses on death and is intolerant of others is more of a divisive and destructive cult, not a religion.

To: Road Walker who wrote (257924)	11/1/2005 8:37:35 PM
From: bentway	Respond to of 1574309

There's even a precedent. We gave the Mormons Utah, but they had to give up polygamy, a basic tenet of their religion. Their God was flexible, and they went for the deal, at least publicly!

To: Road Walker who wrote (257924)	11/2/2005 3:01:08 AM
From: tejek	Respond to of 1574309

Finally, Senate Democrats Push Back John Nichols Tue Nov 1, 6:45 PM ET The Nation -- Remarkable as it may sound, there is reason to believe that Congressional Democrats may finally be waking from their long slumber and stirring into a functional opposition party. The United States Senate went back into session Tuesday for the first time since Vice President Dick Cheney's Chief of Staff, I. Lewis Libby, was indicted for lying to FBI agents and a federal grand jury looking into whether the White House deliberately set out to destroy the reputation of former Ambassador Joe Wilson after he revealed that the Administration's case for war in Iraq relied on a deliberate misreading of intelligence information. Democrats then used a rare procedural move to force the Republican-controlled Senate into a closed session to discuss the status of investigations into the Administration's use and misuse of intelligence prior to the invasion of Iraq in March 2003. With a grave tone that seemed dramatically out of character for dormant Democrats in recent years, Senate minority leader Harry Reid took to the floor of the chamber and declared, "I demand on behalf of the American people that we understand why these investigations aren't being conducted." Senate majority leader Bill Frist, who has never left any doubt that his loyalty is to the Republican Party and his President rather than to the Republic, immediately accused Reid of attempting to "hijack" the Senate by forcing a discussion about accountability in matters of war and peace. Though he did not appear to recognize the irony in his statement, Frist said of the Democrats, "They have no convictions, they have no principles, they have no ideas." But Reid pressed his point, calling for a closed session to discuss intelligence matters. Under Senate rules, which traditionally respect demands for closed-door sessions on intelligence, Reid's request was granted without a vote. The galleries of the chamber were cleared of all spectators, and the doors to the Senate were shuttered. Predictably, Mississippi Senator Trent Lott, the former majority leader who is always looking for a camera shot, later accused Reid of making "some sort of stink about Scooter Libby and the CIA leak" and derided the Democratic leader for seeking a closed-door session to discuss a matter as inconsequential--in Lott's view--as whether the American people and the Congress were lied to prior to the launch of a war that has left more than 2,000 US troops and tens of thousands of Iraqis dead. But Reid's mission was far more specific than to raise "some sort of stink about Scooter Libby." The Senate minority leader and his chief aide, Illinois Democrat Dick Durbin, were taking up what has been a long struggle, conducted mostly by antiwar groups such as Progressive Democrats of America: to force Senate Intelligence Committee chair Pat Roberts, of Kansas, to keep his promise to conduct a thorough investigation of whether the Administration distorted intelligence in order to "sell" the war in Iraq. Frist, Roberts and others huddled Tuesday to figure out a strategy to thwart the demand for the promised inquiry. But Reid's actions have finally focused attention on Roberts's past pledges. And there was serious speculation that the Democrat might force the Intelligence Committee chair to stop stonewalling. Reid--like his predecessor, Tom Daschle--has rarely been as bold as the times have demanded. And the nation has suffered as a result. But he has mounted a challenge that is appropriate and necessary. As such, he merits the high praise of being referred to not as a Democrat or a Republican but as the leader of the opposition that this country has so sorely needed. We can only hope that Reid will, by his actions in coming days, seek to retain the title. news.yahoo.com