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To: cnyndwllr who wrote (173969)	11/2/2005 5:18:27 PM
From: geode00	Respond to of 281500

"Nelson Mandella was a traitor to S. Africa when the government was fighting a popular insurgency?" ------- I heard that Reagan considered the ANC a terrorist organization. Gee. Oh heck, King George (not ours, the other loon) considered Washington, Jefferson et al traitors after all and would have hung them if he could have gotten a hold of them. Some people are very confused about human nature and history and all of that.

To: cnyndwllr who wrote (173969)	11/3/2005 1:01:35 AM
From: greenspirit	Respond to of 281500

First of all, it's illustrative you had to resort to pulling out the Nazi/Communist card in defense of your ideals. The point is the circumstances had never changed when from day one people like yourself started criticizing the war effort. In Afghanistan is was a quagmire three weeks into the effort, just before we took Kabul, in Iraq is was a quagmire (Vietnam), the day after we paused to refuel and head into Baghdad. So the notion that people such as yourself were team players after the vote in both houses of Congress, and then shifted when information changed is simply dishonest. Yes, there were traitors in Vietnam who sold our nation down the tube to communist elements. People you no doubt consider hero's today, people like Jane Fonda, and John (I never went anywhere without my 50 pound camera) Kerry. The Swift Boat veterans who served with Kerry can give you an earful on that score. Lying and supporting the enemy during a time of war is seditionist at best, and traitorous at worse. Many good and decent people died in Korea too. A war few talk about today. Yet, it's largely viewed as a success, because, a free, peaceful and prosperous society lives next door to one of the most evil regime's on the planet. I'm glad we had the guts to stay that course. I suppose you think we should have cut and ran and let the NK communists take over the place. Wouldn't our world be a better place today if that had happened? 10, 20 or 30 years from now, when Iraq is seen as a place of peace, prosperity and freedom, (contrasted with Iran or Syria, which will probably still be basket cases), where will you and the other "we can't possibly win" voices going to be Ed? I'll tell you where, hiding under a rock, waiting for the next Republican to inject our men and women into battle so you can begin the same pattern of "quagmire" followed by "vietnam" harping on boards like these.