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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (174020)	11/3/2005 1:47:40 AM
From: greenspirit	Respond to of 281500

Great post Hawk, it's amazing how short and narrow minded some memories can be.

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (174020)	11/3/2005 10:03:15 AM
From: Bilow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Hi Hawkmoon; Re: "So get over it and accept the fact that the Clinton administration and Democrats who were in charge of the Senate in October, 2002, and voted for the authorization to use force are just as responsible." If you're trying to argue that the debacle in Iraq is just as much the fault of the Democrats as the Republicans than I partially agree. But I bet that history will attribute the disaster to the Republicans. In any case, the fact that the Democrats at one time supported it doesn't make it a brilliant thing to do. The Republicans would be well advised to be very suspicious about putting into place Democratic foreign policy adventures that are based on a failure to understand human nature. -- Carl

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (174020)	11/3/2005 10:20:25 AM
From: Sam	Respond to of 281500

All Bush was doing was carrying out the will of the previous elected congress and intent of the previous Administration that concurred that Saddam needed to be overthrown. I don't really recall many of those references to the previous administration or to Democrats when the "Mission Accomplished" signs were being hung. I recall comments to the effect of how ineffective and wimpish and cowardly Clinton and Democrats were/are, and it took the Muscular Republicans of the Bush Admin to make the glorious overthrow of Saddam happen. I also recall predicting that as long as things were going well, Republicans/the Bush admin would take credit for the success, but when things went sour, it would become a bipartisan war, while those who were against it would get much of the blame for any of the bad things that would happen. I also recall comments to the effect that the nay-sayers were moral and political free-loaders, and were being dragged into creating a new and better world order, whether they liked it or not by the people of courage and strength on the right. Cute.

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (174020)	11/3/2005 4:42:56 PM
From: geode00	Respond to of 281500

Killing people for war profiteering isn't progress, it's incompetence. Nope. You don't get a pass with the childish argument that other people committed crimes so that everyone gets away with it. That's as much of a nonstarter as the rightwing arguments trying to blame Iraq on LIBERALS and the FRENCH. Not only are these kinds of arguments unethical, they're just plain dumb. I'm a realist. I want hard facts, figures, plans, accountability, responsibility, efficiency and objective proof of progress with a good ROI. You want facades, theft, chaos, violence and lying. I understand that the British military is worried that narcostate Afghanistan is spiraling into civil war. I understand that the US military admits that it cannot win Iraq militarily. I understand that 2038 KIA and 425+ contractors KIA and only 1 battallion ready to work independently after more than 2 1/2 years and $300-$400 BILLION dollars is INCOMPETENCE PERSONIFIED. I understand that the extensive use of mercenaries is not how I wish to fight a war, any war but especially a war for war profiteering's sake. I am sick to death of Custer Battles, Halliburton, Bechtel, Bremmer, the CPA, the Iraqi defense ministry are stealing, defrauding and getting rich on the backs of Iraqis and Americans. It's disgusting and no amount of high fallutin' crappola rhetoric from rightwing numnutzes will make the reality on the ground any different.