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Politics : Don't Blame Me, I Voted For Kerry -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: American Spirit who wrote (69440)	11/4/2005 6:49:47 PM
From: tonto	Respond to of 81568

It was 168 people not 350. It was not in honor of Koresh it was against the federal government for attacking Timothy McVeigh blew up the federal bhuilding and killed 350 Americans in "honor" of that wacko Koresh.

To: American Spirit who wrote (69440)	11/5/2005 3:35:54 AM
From: Dan B.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81568

Re: "Koresh was a violent religious nut with an arsenal." He'd owned weapons for a long time. He'd never used them offensively in his life to our knowledge. Re: "The myth that he's some kind of rightwing religious hero is ridiculous." I certainly never heard that the religious right all tend to view him as a hero. Maybe some, or more, of them do though. Then you'd be wrong about him not being a rightwing religious hero, which is what you just said he wasn't, indeed. In any event, Koresh is certainly no hero of mine! Timothy McViegh however, for all I know, talked with Al Qaeda down south somewhere and used their bomb-making reciepe for his deed (all alleged by some). Timothy McViegh, rather than honoring Koresh, for all I know simply got WAY too pissed at government, i.e. he was angry since he felt the government trampled on Koresh's rights and committed murder in the process. He likely believed Ruby Ridge and Koresh and other cases showed that Martial Law was near in the United States (believing as he did in Michigan Militia extremist theories, if I recall correctly). He surely felt that they had nothing on Koresh they could show us, yet wiped him and his followers out(including all too many children) without trial or even serving him papers. No one tried to serve Koresh a warrant before surrounding his home unnanounced, then attacking. That's not constitutional. McViegh, at least, sees it this way and felt it dispicable. He probably felt there was no worthy reason for it to be done in that way. The line is that Koresh had been served papers before, cooperated without threatening anyone, and gone to court before, only to be found innocent. So there is no reason, given his peaceful history, to believe so many would have died, and every reason to believe he'd have behaved as cooperatively as he had when charged before. Had Reno followed standard legal procedures and just served him a warrant such as he was known to have cooperated with in the past, the whole tragedy may well have been easily avoided. Surely McVeigh felt the government needed to be taken down a peg, and decided he was a man to do it. Re: "So Koresh is no better than an Islamic extremist with terrorist fantasies." But Koresh was not known to murder, threaten murder, nor believe in murdering "non-believers," so far as I know. Re: "Beware in fact of all extremists christians who dream of Armageddon. Potentially, as McVeigh proved, they're just as dangerous as an Arab." I agree. To be precise, potentially as dangerous as an islamic extremist be he arab or otherwise. It is true in my view, that Islam has violence written into it in an effectively compelling way (to its radial tru-believers) which Christiandom doesn't. Fundamentalist Christians I feel may be potentially dangerous, but virtually all fundamentalist Islamicists actually believe it is right to kill the infidels (sadly, including Cat Stevens, it seems). Dan B.