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To: Brumar89 who wrote (174291)	11/6/2005 2:24:23 PM
From: cnyndwllr	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Burmar, do you have any capacity for self reflection? Let's see. I post 174291 you responded to my statement that it was, "incredibly naive on your part to believe that Gaddafi would spontaneously make and release the statement that he got scared into capitulating to America." You said: "Yet he did it. And you can't accept the obvious and invent a conspiracy theory to explain it away - along the lines of GAddafi couldn't have meant what he said, so ... ah, the Bushies must have put him up to saying it. Ok, but what did you say in your very next post, 174292? When faced with some Cuban comments that didn't fit with your view of the world you said: "Don't you realize Cuba is a police state? People have to say what Castro's regime wants them to say and what you report hearing is the Cuban governments line verbatim." Yet with Gaddafi you felt it was "amazing" to suggest that such a process was in play and that we should "accept the obvious" and take his words at face value. Now it appears that you fully understand that it's not "amazing" to suggest that the weak will adopt the spin of the strong "verbatim" in order to get what they need or to avoid what they fear. Having accepted that principle it's clear that what you find amazing is that the things you WANT to hear might be false while the things you don't WANT to hear might be true. You might want to consider whether it's precisely that kind of "loyal" thinking that is costing us so much pain and loss of life in Iraq. At some point it's necessary to break past what we want to believe and to open our eyes to what reality is telling us. It certainly takes a lot less stubbornness, false pride and blind "loyalty" and a lot more humility and careful thought to make that great step to enlightenment but with the many young men and women currently dying in our name, don't you think you owe that to someone? Ed