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To: Mary Cluney who wrote (4981)	11/6/2005 5:29:53 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542043

It is only the beginning. We are not nearly half way there. Kholt is terribly wrong on this. Call it phase one of a larger movement or a separate movement to be followed by another movement, I don't care. In either case, the first objective has been largely met. Time to define the objectives of the next phase/movement. It might be fun to set some objectives for it and contemplate how best to get there. What would you want to accomplish?

To: Mary Cluney who wrote (4981)	11/6/2005 5:52:16 PM
From: epicure	Respond to of 542043

:-) OK- as long as I see some dramatic change, and recognition that women DO provide a unique service no one else in the human race (namely men) can't provide- we produce offspring, without which the human race would end. I think the "women's" movement out of fear of jeopardizing their narrow movement for jobs, was afraid to focus on this at all. Rather than being a "women's" movement what we had was a movement for women to be given the opportunity to pretend they were men- I don't find that to actually be a women's movement. A real women's movement would include as a top priority protecting women's ability to procreate and still be able to support themselves and their children- unless the ideal of the women's movement is to force women to choose between being like men, or starving like women. I'm angry about what I see as a spurious "women's" movement. I think it will take a groundbreaking revolution to begin again- and I'd hate to see this whole thing taken over by the "put women back in the home" folks who are hostile to women- and obviously that's why the women's movement failed to face up to the issue, because it requires some courage, and some effort, to face up to women's biological destiny, and yet also force society to carve out a fair place for women at the same time. WHY this should be so hard to understand I don't know- probably because most of us don't think that much about the power of female procreation. The more "civilized" we get, the more we forget that at bottom society depends on birth, and without birth, society ends. The Goddess societies had it right, imo. It pisses me off that both male society and the women's movement completely fail to value the procreational contributions of women.