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To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (9299)11/11/2005 12:56:23 AM
From: Cyprian  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 22250
 
>> ...a small slice of the slow death of Judaism. <<

and what specifically is this judaism that you are lamenting the death of? certainly not the cabbalistic babylonian baal worship which destroys the soul, for it is thriving in this age of apostasy.

>> Zionism has replaced the faith. <<

which 'faith' is that? mr. grasso, please do enlighten us with what this faith is that you are lamenting the death of, and when was it last found in its pure form.

zionism has always been the goal of the antichrist rabbinical jews, even before the blasphemous talmud was completely formed.

do you know who tertullian was? he was born around 150-160 a.d., less than a century after the romans left not one stone upon another in jerusalem and burned the city with fire in fulfillment of the word thus spoken by the King of kings:

But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city. (Matthew 22.7)

he was born only 20 years or so after the final remnants of jews were completely banished from jerusalem by hadrian, after the second jewish revolt led by the false moshiach "bar kochba" (i.e. the "son of the star") -- that great star which fell from heaven as described by the holy prophet Isaiah.


TERTULLIAN (c. 207-208 a.d.)

THE FIVE BOOKS AGAINST MARCION, BOOKS I-III.



BOOK III

CHAP. XXV.--CHRIST'S MILLENNIAL AND HEAVENLY GLORY IN COMPANY WITH HIS SAINTS.

Yes, certainly,(8) you say, I do hope from Him that which amounts in itself to a proof of the diversity (of Christs), God's kingdom in an everlasting and heavenly possession. Besides, your Christ promises to the Jews their primitive condition, with the recovery of their country; and after this life's course is over, repose in Hades(9) in Abraham's bosom. Oh, most excellent God, when He restores in amnesty(10) what He took away in wrath! Oh, what a God is yours, who both wounds and heals, creates evil and makes peace! Oh, what a God, that is merciful even down to Hades! I shall have something to say about Abraham's bosom in the proper place.(11) As for the restoration of Judaea, however, which even the Jews themselves, induced by the names of places and countries, hope for just as it is described,(12) it would be tedious to state at length(13) how the figurative(14) interpretation is spiritually applicable to Christ and His church, and to the character and fruits thereof; besides, the subject has been regularly treated(15) in another work, which we entitle De Spe Fidelium.(16)

have you ever heard of the holy presbyter St. Jerome? this pious monk settled in bethlehem around the turn of the 4th century and reposed there around 420 a.d.

ST. JEROME

COMMENTARY ON DANIEL



CHAPTER TWO

Verse 40. "And there shall be a fourth empire like unto iron. Just as iron breaks to pieces and overcomes all else, so it shall break to pieces and shatter all these preceding empires . ..." Now the fourth empire, which clearly refers to the Romans, is the iron empire which breaks in pieces and overcomes all others. But its feet and toes are partly of iron and partly of earthenware, a fact most clearly demonstrated at the present time. For just as there was at the first nothing stronger or hardier than the Roman realm, so also in these last days there is nothing more feeble (D), since we require the assistance of barbarian tribes both in our civil wars and against foreign nations. However, at the final period of all these empires of gold and silver and bronze and iron, a rock (namely, the Lord and Savior) was cut off without hands, that is, without copulation or human seed and by birth from a virgin's womb; and after all the empires had been crushed, He became a great mountain and filled the whole earth. This last the Jews and the impious Porphyry apply to the people of Israel, who they insist will be the strongest power at the end of the ages, and will crush all realms and will rule forever.

so you see this 'zionist' jewish struggle to recapture their city and gain mastery over the entire world is not a recent invention. it goes back many centuries.

Cyprian



To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (9299)11/11/2005 3:40:21 AM
From: Cyprian  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 22250
 
is this is the type of judaism you were referring to?

Rabbi addresses gay rights, right wing
thedartmouth.com

By Astrid Bradley

Published on Thursday, November 10, 2005

Asafu Suzuki/The Dartmouth

Sharon Kleinbaum, rabbi at the second-oldest gay and lesbian synagogue, delivers the Jewish studies Barnet lecture Wednesday in 105 Dartmouth Hall.

Lesbian rabbi Sharon Kleinbaum blamed conservative ideologues for stalling gay rights in a speech Wednesday sponsored by the Jewish studies department.


Titled "Moral Values?: The Challenge the Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual/Transsexual Jewish Community Poses to the Radical Right Wing," the lecture was sponsored through the Mary and William Barnet II 1934 family fund, which brings lecturers to speak on topics that influence the Jewish community.

Since 1992, Kleinbaum has been the senior rabbi of New York City's Congregation Beth Simchat Torahk, the world's largest and second-oldest lesbian and gay synagogue since 1992.

Kleinbaum began her speech by holding up the front page of an issue of The New York Times, which included a photograph and article featuring six major leaders of Christianity, Judaism and Islam, who gathered in Jerusalem to protest plans for a gay pride festival.

"When I first picked up the paper, I thought, if you would know anything about religion then you would know that these six men do not speak to each other," Kleinbaum said. "Somehow their hatred and opposition to gay people brought them together."

Kleinbaum argued that gay rights centered on the answer to the question of who gets to say what is religious and what's moral.

"They [the major religious leaders] believe that the world shares their views and as the heads they are to reinforce them," Kleinbaum said.

According to Kleinbaum, the radical religious right wing does not hesitate to lay blame on the gay community -- even for natural disasters. Jerry Falwell blamed Hurricane Katrina on a gay pride parade that was supposed to take place in New Orleans that weekend and said that God was preventing it from happening.

The standing of gays today is comparable to that of blacks in the 1960s, Kleinbaum said, citing the example of Mississippi blacks who were subject to Jim Crow laws while blacks that lived in New York were not.

"I am not talking about trying to change people's religious point of view. I do believe that people can have different beliefs," Kleinbaum said. "What is not acceptable is the religious point of view to be codified into United States law"

Kleinbaum said the government favors particular religions over others, using the example of the Catholic Church, which forbids divorce but lacks the power to decide on civil marriage licenses.

"What role does the state have in saying that two people of the same gender cannot get married but two people who have been divorced can?" Kleinbaum said. "The role of reactionary religion in different shapes and different flavors has been the single biggest obstacle to the full liberation of humans."

Kleinbaum spoke at Michael Bronski's "Gender and Judaism" class before giving her speech.

Kleinbaum tearfully concluded her speech with a reference to slain civil rights leader Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

"Moses didn't make it to the promised land. Neither did King, and we probably won't either. Nevertheless, a life worth living is working to that course," she said



To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (9299)11/15/2005 5:10:46 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 22250
 
Israel Shamir on the Iranian statement in Paris:

On October 29, 2005, in the prestigious Hotel de l’Industrie in Saint Germain des Prés in Paris, there was a meeting of Israel Shamir with his French readers. The meeting room was full, but nobody was refused. The audience consisted of an improbable mixture -- from Communists to Front National to the Black and Caribbean activists -- united in their rejection of the new world order and of Zionism. There was some tension, for the lawyers warned of a possible police raid and imminent arrest of Shamir as LICRA, the French Jewish ADL-like body, pressed charges against him and his publisher M. Cherifi, but the evening passed without these complications.

Shamir was asked about the Iranian President’s remarks, and he said:

“There is nothing unusual about states getting wiped off the map. The country I was born in, the Soviet Union, was wiped off the map. Yugoslavia was wiped off the map with the help of NATO bombers. Prussia was wiped off the map by decision of the World War's victors. Palestine was wiped off the map so completely that it is difficult to find a map containing it. In French history, Aquitaine and Languedoc were wiped off the map. What is unusual is the mass hysteria that surrounds the Iranian statement. This brouhaha proves that the Western world suffers from philosemitic neurosis. Things that can be said about anybody else can’t be said about Jews. I can call for the wiping off of France and for the creation of something different in her stead, (voices from the audience: “France is already wiped off!”) but a call to wipe off the Jewish state may lead to a real war against Iran. I may say: you stupid Breton; I may say: Corsicans took over the police force, or the Sicilian Mafia rules the casinos. But were I to change Breton or Corsican to “Jew,” I’d find myself in handcuffs and on my way to jail.

“Our struggle for equality of Jew and non-Jew in Palestine is connected to the same struggle elsewhere. Jews should be equal, not superior to Bretons or Corsicans. But there is a complication: the Jews form a competing church, and their perceived superiority and overprotection creates the conditions for this church’s victory over the Christian Church. I can say whatever I want to about the Christian Church, even things that are perfectly annoying to a Christian, But if I say things annoying to the Jewish church, I’ll go to prison. This unfair situation is unbearable. Voltaire did not hesitate to release you from the clutches of the Church by writing blasphemous verses about the Immaculate Conception. Now you may follow his lead and obtain freedom from the clutches of the Judaic Church. The Great Revolution disestablished the Catholic Church not in order to establish the Judaic Church in France. This is a new taboo that has to be broken, and the Iranian president took an important step in this direction. If it is permissible to wipe Palestine, the state of all people, Jews and non-Jews, off the map, it should be permissible to call for wiping a Jewish state off the map as well.

Unanimity of the media is a frightening phenomenon. Once, it was supposed to be a Stalinist feature, but the uniform reaction to the Iranian statement shows that Stalinism has returned with vengeance. Though I have been a journalist all my life, I feel towards the mainstream media as once I felt about the KGB – that it is the enforcer of the power, not a voice of people.

Our friend Paul Eisen wrote: “I find nothing wrong with the Iranian President's remarks. They're pretty standard stuff in such a context. What is more noteworthy is the huge fuss everyone is making. Yes of course they're looking for excuses to attack Iran but victims can't fight an oppressor by just avoiding giving them excuses. If the object is to avoid giving them excuses, then the best thing is to just give in. My feeling is that Israel and Jewish power can't be challenged by strategising. Israel and Jewish power can't be "undercut". You can't make Israel 'look bad' because it doesn't matter if Israel does look bad, Israel still does what it wants. My feeling is that only defiance and resistance will do. I support the President of Iran in making his remarks.”

He is right: defiance is the way to obtain freedom we lost. Do not submit, and you will win. This is the way to stop the forthcoming attack on Iran and to regain freedom in France and in Palestine.

Shamir also called for unity of the Left and the Right against globalising imperialism.

Shamir was asked about the late Israel Shahak whose book Three Thousand Years of Jewish Religion was an important step in undermining the Judaic paradigm. He replied:

In the Jewish tradition, there is a concept: a righteous man does not die unless there is a new one ready to take his place. It is based on the words of Ecclesiastes: ‘The sun rises and the sun sets’. Thus, before the setting of the sun of Eli, the sun of Samuel had risen, in the book of Samuel. Likewise, I began to write on this subject when Israel Shahak died. In a way, I took his place after he was gone. I have immense respect for him, but I have gone further: he debunked the Jewish paradigm in the name of liberalism and of open society, I added that the Open Society of George Soros and its liberalism is but another name for Jewish paradigm.

The Black activists asked for Shamir’s stand on the problem of Negrophobia being stirred up in France. He said:

In Palestine, there are Black soldiers who man the checkpoints on the roads, and there are Black Palestinians who queue at the checkpoints. There are white and black Jews, white and black Palestinians. So the colour of one’s skin is not an important factor for us, the people of the Middle East. Similarly to my countrymen, I am a colour-blind Daltonian, and I do not feel about the colour of skin more than about the colour of eyes: there are blue-eyed and brown-eyed people, of black and white skin, but it is as important as the colour of cat’s fur. It is not necessary to imitate Jewish talk about anti-Semitism by speaking of Negrophobia. You are French, of whatever shade of skin, and that is important. So you may refer, as in the schools of old, to ‘our Gallic ancestors’ whether your real ancestors were Franks, Dutch or Africans. Naturally, I am against all discrimination on the base of skin colour; people should be equal; but one should not encourage divisive ideas. Again, I do not know much about your situation here, and I am ready to learn as much as I am ready to teach.

On Wednesday, a decision of the French court on the case of Shamir’s publisher is expected.

israelshamir.net