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To: Geoff Altman who wrote (712671)11/11/2005 7:14:07 PM
From: tonto  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769667
 
Thanks George for your post. Apology accepted but that was unnecessary. I have had the opportunities to discuss this in more detail with many people in Colombia as well as here in the states.

As Tide mentioned in his post, there must be penalties tied to usage and crime. I support that wholeheartedly.



To: Geoff Altman who wrote (712671)11/11/2005 7:37:31 PM
From: DuckTapeSunroof  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769667
 
Three Top TV Pundits Say: "I'm a Libertarian -- Sort Of"

In just the past few days, some of television's best-known political
commentators have referred to themselves as libertarians or
libertarian sympathizers.

Who are they? And what does this mean for libertarians?

Joe Scarborough is host of MSNBC's "Scarborough County." His
November 1 show featured a debate about pornography made and
broadcast by college students on a publicly-funded student-run
campus TV channel.

Scarborough made this remark:

SCARBOROUGH: "OK, OK, so Steve, this is where you lose me, though. I
mean, if you want to go out and film porn of yourself and girls, that
is your business. I am a libertarian, okay? But I don't want to pay
for it...."

This isn't the first time. A year ago, on November 8, 2004, during a
wide-ranging debate on religion and politics, Scarborough said:

SCARBOROUGH: "Take me, for instance. I'm more libertarian than
conservative. I supported George W. Bush, but I don't want federal
judges telling me what marriages people in Florida should accept. As
far as gay marriage, if somebody in Vermont wants to get married and
they are gay, I don't care. That is up to Vermont. But I don't want a
judge in Vermont telling me in Florida to accept that."

Then there's Catherine Crier: Court TV anchor and author.

On October 27, on MSNBC's "Scarborough County," she thought a guest
referred to her as a "liberal." She was quick to object:

CRIER: "No, no, no. I'm not -- I am a former Texas Republican judge.
I have never been called a liberal. I am a libertarian, if anything."

This would seem consistent with this statement in the first chapter
of her new book Contempt: How the Right is Wronging American Justice:

"I wrote the book The Case Against Lawyers in 2002. This book
castigated behavior on the left and the right of the political
spectrum... Today I consider myself a true independent with some
libertarian leanings."

And this is nothing new for Crier. Consider this excerpt from the
online campaign diary Libertarian Party presidential candidate Harry
Browne kept during his 2000 race:

BROWNE: "To my surprise, [Catherine Crier] makes it clear before the
interview begins that she thinks highly of libertarian ideas. She
says she hopes I get into the debates because otherwise this year's
race is very boring.

"The 10-minute interview itself goes beautifully. In the first
minute, I say, 'I want to set you free to live your life as you want
to live it -- not as Al Gore or George Bush thinks is best for you,
or best for the Fatherland. After all, you're the one who earns the
money, you're the one who gets up every day and goes to work. Why
should they be taking your money and deciding how much of it they're
going to let you keep for yourself? Why don't you decide how much of
it you're going to give to them?'

"To this, [Catherine Crier] says enthusiastically, "Yes! Yes!" We
cover repealing the income tax, getting the government out of Social
Security, and ending the Drug War. She adds her own comments to
explain why each of these steps would be beneficial. At the end she
insists that I come back for a longer interview. Happily, we've found
a new friend."

Finally, there's Tucker Carlson, host of MSNBC's "The Situation with
Tucker Carlson."

In 2004 and 2005, he hosted PBS's "Tucker Carlson: Unfiltered." A
PBS press release said that: "Carlson combines a conservative and
libertarian take on the news with a wry skepticism and unconventional
opinions."

On his MSNBC TV show Carlson continues to express many libertarian
views. He generally advocates a limited role for government, opposes
the Drug War, strongly defends free speech, and supports the free
market.

Unlike many conservatives with libertarian leanings, Carlson is also
a strong critic of the Iraq war. He reluctantly supported it at
first, but a trip to Iraq for an article for Esquire changed his
mind. "I think it's a total nightmare and disaster, and I'm ashamed
that I went against my own instincts in supporting it," he said. "I
want things to work out, but I'm enraged by it, actually."

This recent exchange with a telephone caller, from October 19,
probably nicely sums up Carlson's current views:

CALLER: "Hey, Tucker. I swear I'm a Democrat but you are turning me
into a libertarian. Not that there is anything wrong with that..."

CARLSON: "Thank you. I would just close your eyes and let it wash
over you like a warm wave of reason: libertarianism. I'm not a strict
libertarian -- I'm not completely insane. But I am informed by the
libertarian spirit, which I think [is] a good place to be."

It's clear that these three prominent opinion-leaders aren't
libertarians -- yet -- but they like and respect libertarian ideas,
and they understand and appreciate the label, too.

So what does this mean for libertarianism? A lot. It shows that
libertarian ideas are rapidly gaining ground. Among the most
influential segments of society, libertarianism is being recognized
as a legitimate and worthy political viewpoint, distinct from
liberalism and conservatism.

Further, libertarianism is more and more attractive to mainstream
Americans -- otherwise, these ratings-savvy hosts would never use
the word "libertarian" in describing their political beliefs. Of
course, this also means that millions of Americans have become
familiar enough with the word to have at least a general idea of
what it means -- or, again, these journalists/hosts would not use
it. And that's another very positive advance.

Finally, as Harry Browne's experience indicates, it may mean
that libertarians will receive increasingly respectful media
attention in the months and years to come.

All this is a sign of great progress. The persistent, positive
outreach that libertarians are doing is paying off. Keep up the good
work!

(Sources: Joe Scarborough:
msnbc.msn.com
msnbc.msn.com
Catherine Crier:
msnbc.msn.com
courttv.com
harrybrowne.org
Tucker Carlson:
weta.org
msnbc.msn.com )



To: Geoff Altman who wrote (712671)11/11/2005 7:39:09 PM
From: DuckTapeSunroof  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 769667
 
Denver Votes to End Marijuana Use and Possession Penalties

Are we seeing, as one prominent activist predicts, "the beginning of
the end of marijuana prohibition in the U.S."?

On November 1, Denver became the second major city in less than a
year to eliminate all civil and criminal penalties for the possession
of up to one ounce of marijuana by citizens age 21 and older.

Fully 54 percent of voters passed "I-100: The Alcohol-Marijuana
Equalization Initiative." This initiative, led by the organization
SAFER (Safer Alternative For Enjoyable Recreation), argued that local
laws should treat the private adult use and possession of marijuana
in a manner similar to alcohol, and that its use by adults should not
be subject to criminal penalties.

There's more.

Last fall Oakland, California voters approved a similar initiative
to "tax and regulate the sale of cannabis for adult use."

And on November 1 a proposal in Telluride, Colorado to make "the
investigation, arrest, and prosecution of marijuana offenses ... the
town's lowest law enforcement priority" missed winning by only 24
votes.

"A few years from now, this [Denver] vote may well be seen as the
proverbial 'tipping point,' the beginning of the end of marijuana
prohibition in the U.S.," said Rob Kampia, executive director of the
Marijuana Policy Project in Washington, D.C. "Replacing the failed
policy of prohibition with common-sense taxation and regulation of
marijuana has become a thoroughly mainstream issue, with the voters
of two major U.S. cities endorsing such an approach within one year.

"Last year, there were more than three-quarters of a million
marijuana arrests, an all-time record," Kampia added. "That's
equivalent to arresting every man, woman, and child in the state of
Wyoming plus every man, woman, and child in St. Paul, Minnesota.

"The public understands that this simply makes no sense. Regulating
marijuana will take money out of the pockets of criminals and free
police to go after violent crime, and the voters of Denver took their
first step in that direction today."

Ironically, Denver was the site of the very first federal marijuana
arrest in American history. On October 2, 1937, Samuel R. Caldwell, a
58-year-old unemployed laborer, was arrested by the FBI and Denver
police for selling two marijuana cigarettes to a 26-year-old man. For
this dastardly act, Caldwell was sentenced to four years' hard labor
at Leavenworth Prison, and fined the then-enormous sum of $1,000.
Caldwell served every day of the sentence, and died a year after
release.

Of course, local measures like the Denver one don't override state
and federal prohibitions against marijuana. But they give citizens
enormous and very real protection at the local level. Such measures
also very strongly catch the ear of federal politicians.

This may be part of a growing trend: pro-liberty communities defying
unjust federal laws by passing local legislation. It's quite similar
to the nationwide revolt against the Patriot Act by local and state
governments, which we've reported on in past issues.

Which city is next?

(Sources: Marijuana Policy Project (MPP):
mpp.org
NORML on the Samuel Caldwell tragedy:
mapinc.org )