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To: Lane3 who wrote (146753)	11/12/2005 8:39:09 PM
From: KLP	Respond to of 793964

*Re: Why It (Probably) Can't Happen Here..Thanks, interesting article.....I bolded "Probably"--that seems to cover all bases.* >>>>>While France's view of Muslim immigrants is 'Let them be French,' the U.S. embraces cultural and religious differences. By Dilshad D. Ali<<<<< Agree that we are a nation of immigrants. And that our country has tried to assimilate everyone by having all people in the country at least aware of the history of this country. I find in checking my local middle school, that US History is offered/required in the 5th grade, a tiny bit of it in the 8th grade "civics" class, and then offered as a Jr. in HS. That's it. Most of the older folks among us, had much more than that when were of those ages. When people don't have an idea of how, and why something was done and/or accomplished, they don't take ownership of the wisdom or strength of the event in history. This is one of the reasons I bolded "Probably".... >>>>>The answers may lie in a fundamentally different approach to immigrant inclusion and how nationality is defined. And while the U.S. also has faced its own share of minority unrest and protests, its basic historical identity as a nation of immigrants may be the reason such levels of violence and upheaval have not been a feature of the Muslim immigrant experience here. <<<<< I believe this is true, and hopefully will stay true...... “There isn’t the same feeling of unrest. People coming to this shore are welcomed as Americans regardless of their skin color or creed. They feel a sense of belonging.” Agree with this as well, BUT there will have to be some definition of "Universal values of Islam"..... If the Universal value of Islam includes killing all Jews, Christians, and Americans, as OBL said .....well then, that won't work.... >>>>>“France will have to recognize that people with different orientations and religions must be respected and included,” Saeed says. “And from the side of French Arabs and North Africans, they need to raise their generations to be French, but also to pass on the universal values of Islam.” <<<<< And here again, a definition of "forced religious observance" is needed. What is the meaning of "Forced"..... Does it mean that one has to actively participate? Or does it mean, just watching? Or does it mean even the sight of a symbol or icon from any other religion is contrary to their belief??? Plus while we are having definitions, there might have to be a definition of the last sentence as well. Those Islamic values include living in peace in any community, respecting the laws of the country where one resides, and no forced religious observance. Peaceful civil disobedience and protest, as in most religions, are allowed in Islam. But as the UFIO fatwa warns, “This action, whether taken in a concerted or spontaneous way, must in no way contradict (Muslim) teaching or the laws governing communal life.” IF we, the world, hadn't been subjected for several years now, to the extremists and their habits of killing for religious sake, including beheading....blowing up innocent people, etc, perhaps there wouldn't have to be definitions. BUT there have been these problems. And we would be foolish indeed not to listen to them.