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To: rich evans who wrote (5239)	11/12/2005 8:10:33 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542914

The issue is not moot. Going forward we should not make any moronic decisions like that again, so it is very important that we understand how the stupid thing was done, and how to prevent the stupid thing from happening again. Often there is resistance in human systems to figuring out stupid things, because no one wants to be blamed for them, not the people who do them, and not the people who should have been managing the oversight of the people who do them- but that doesn't mean we let the stupid people just move on, because if we don't do some quality control, we'll get the whole damn stupid thing all over again. That's why it isn't moot. It won't ever be moot. It may, eventually be resolved, when we figure out how to prevent this in future, but moot, no.

To: rich evans who wrote (5239)	11/13/2005 7:32:23 AM
From: Ilaine	Respond to of 542914

Seriously, I don't think anybody was or is much worried about the stuff that UNSCOM/UNMOVIC/IAEA had already inventoried and had more-or-less under lock and key, even though some of that wound up being stolen or absconded with before the US re-secured it after the war. In and of itself, the things we already knew about and they had already catalogued and secured were not that dangerous. We weren't too worried about the "known knowns" as Rumsfeld called them. It was the known unknowns, and the unknown unknowns.

To: rich evans who wrote (5239)	11/13/2005 9:11:44 AM
From: Mary Cluney	Respond to of 542914

Now the issue is now what? There two things we have to do right now: 1) We need to fix Iraq - because we broke (did a lot of damage to) Iraq. 2) We have to fix things at home. Fix Iraq We need to fix Iraq so that we can get out as gracefully as possible. There are still those in the administration who think that we should be in Iraq permanently. The American people clearly do not want that. As long as those that harbor those views are still in power, having the need for permanent military bases in Iraq becomes a selffulfilling prophecy - if you know what I mean. Fix things at home We need to get our priorities straight. We have to strengthen our country. In order to do that, we have to get things right at home. We need to get our economics straigtened out. We have to balance the budget. We need to cut our dependence on the need for foreign oil. We need to encourage the development of alternative fuel sources. We should ensure that every American gets an equal chance and we must ensure that eveyone gets equal justice. We must get out of the killing business. We can't go around killing people. There is no provision for killing people in our Constitution. As a very symbolic gesture, we must end any support for people who would authorize people to be tortured. All the above should keep us busy for quite some time.