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To: Lane3 who wrote (147249)	11/16/2005 2:12:28 PM
From: Thomas A Watson	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793851

Who are the public people who you say knew some obvious thing. I see no dem leaders. Those are the imaginary people you suggest exist. Is changing the subject another form of providing false information? I would expect any honest decent person who "thought it obvious that Saddam didn't have anything all that dangerous" would have come forward and spoke forcefully about why it was so obvious. Who are these honest decent persons who "thought it obvious that Saddam didn't have anything all that dangerous"? I have seen dozens of quotes from every dem leader and it's obvious none of them believed "that Saddam didn't have anything all that dangerous" You are making an argument suggesting imaginary people existed. I call them imaginary people because I don't know of any. Based upon the comments of all the real people I have seen, Only people with a political agenda would say they think he "mislead" which of course means lied. Can you name a real person who was public about what was obvious now, back then??? Liars call mistakes lies. There have been many, many discussions on SI that illustrated that liars post on SI. Is there a difference between arguing the opinions of non existent people and providing false information.

To: Lane3 who wrote (147249)	11/16/2005 2:24:36 PM
From: Thomas A Watson	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793851

And of course there is always this intel stuff that's coming to light... New Documents Reveal Saddam Hid WMDs, Was Tied to Al Qaida Recently discovered Iraqi documents now being translated by U.S. intelligence analysts indicate that Saddam Hussein's government made extensive plans to hide Iraq's weapons of mass destruction before the U.S. invasion in March 2003 - and had deep ties to al Qaida before the 9/11 attacks. The explosive evidence was discovered among "millions of pages of documents" unearthed by the Iraq Survey Group weapons search team, reports the Weekly Standard's Stephen Hayes. In the magazine's Nov. 21 issue, Hayes reveals that the document cache now being examined contains "a thick stew of reports and findings from a variety of [Iraqi] intelligence agencies and military units." Though the Pentagon has so far declined to make the bombshell papers public, Hayes managed to obtain a list of titles on the reports. • Chemical Gear for Fedayeen Saddam • Memo from the [Iraqi Intelligence Service] to Hide Information from a U.N. Inspection team (1997) • Iraq Ministry of Defense Calls for Investigation into why documents related to WMD were found by UN inspection team • Correspondence between various Iraq organizations giving instructions to hide chemicals and equipment • Correspondence from [Iraqi Intelligence Service] to [the Military Industrial Commission] regarding information gathered by foreign intelligence satellites on WMD (Dec. 2002) • Cleaning chemical suits and how to hide chemicals • [Iraqi Intelligence Service] plan of what to do during UNSCOM inspections (1996) Still other reports suggest that Iraq's ties to al Qaida were far deeper than previously known, featuring headlines like: • Secret Meeting with Taliban Group Member and Iraqi Government (Nov. 2000) • Document from Uday Hussein regarding Taliban activity • Possible al Qaeda Terror Members in Iraq • Iraqi Effort to Cooperate with Saudi Opposition Groups and Individuals • Iraqi Intel report on Kurdish Activities: Mention of Kurdish Report on al Qaeda - reference to al Qaeda presence in Salman Pak • [Iraqi Intelligence Service] report on Taliban-Iraq Connections Claims • Money Transfers from Iraq to Afghanistan While the document titles sound stunning enough to turn the Iraq war debate on its head, Hayes cautions that it's hard to know for certain until the full text is available. It's possible, he writes, "that the 'Document from Uday Hussein regarding Taliban activity' was critical of one or another Taliban policies. But it's equally possible, given Uday's known role as a go-between for the Iraqi regime and al Qaeda, that something more nefarious was afoot." "What was discussed at the 'Secret Meeting with Taliban Group Member and Iraqi Government' in November 2000? It could be something innocuous. Maybe not. But it would be nice to know more." Hayes also notes that an additional treasure trove of evidence on Saddam Hussein's support for al Qaida may be lost forever. "When David Kay ran the Iraq Survey Group searching for weapons of mass destruction, he instructed his team to ignore anything not directly related to the regime's WMD efforts," he reports. "As a consequence, documents describing the regime's training and financing of terrorists were labeled 'No Intelligence Value' and often discarded, according to two sources." newsmax.com