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To: Lane3 who wrote (5407)	11/16/2005 4:04:21 PM
From: Dale Baker	Respond to of 543206

My problem is all the camels who start out winking, then they wink while the nose comes under the tent just a little bit because you know how cold it is out there, and wink wink, well, you know how cold it is..... We know where it ends up. The odds of us having the 20th hijacker in custody two hours before the next attack and knowing we have him and knowing the attack is imminent are somewhere way below any math I can calculate. But who knows, anything can happen in this crazy old world.

To: Lane3 who wrote (5407)	11/17/2005 9:42:08 AM
From: Mary Cluney	Respond to of 543206

But we make rules all the time knowing that they will be broken in extreme situations and knowing that we approve of them being broken. We expect people to speed when they're rushing someone to the hospital or trying to escape from a bad guy. Even though we have laws against speeding, we don't condemn them being broken in valid circumstances. Abu Graib was not valid, but that doesn't mean that there never will be a genuine emergency. Reagen may not have been the smartest President ever, but there are somethings that trickle down. When the people at the top say "we do not torture people" but try to pass legislation that would exempt certain people in certain places send the wrong message. Some of the more vulnerable of our people may get confused. But using your speeding analogy, almost all highways post speeding limitations. Almost all highways reduce traffic fatalities due to speeding when speeding tickets are used to enforce speeding limitations. What this means is that there are laws, and then there are laws, and then you have, who is enforcing these laws. Trickle down happens. The problem with trickle down is that it is not systematic and does not happen sufficiently in economics for large groups of disadvataged people - but it works for torture, because it takes only a few rotten apples to cause a great deal of pain and to tarnish our society specifically and civilization in general.