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To: SteveinTX who wrote (147445)	11/17/2005 6:15:17 PM
From: D. Long	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793848

but still wonder if we can ever win, in the Von Clausewitz sense We didn't lose Vietnam militarily, and we haven't lost Iraq militarily. The political left lost Vietnam at home, and they'll lose Iraq (and the entire Middle East) for us too. Derek

To: SteveinTX who wrote (147445)	11/17/2005 9:13:35 PM
From: unclewest	Respond to of 793848

You fight until your enemy agrees to think like you think. Once the enemy agrees with you, the fight is over and everyone goes home. By this definition we won the war with Japan, but certainly lost in Viet Nam. Unconditional surrender (Japan) does not mean agreement. Historically it has implied an inability to continue the fight at this time and a willingness to accept your terms temporarily. Nor does the cessation of hostilities without unconditional surrender (Vietnam) mean defeat. War is a political tool, nothing more, nothing less.