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To: D. Long who wrote (147460)	11/17/2005 6:48:16 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793824

It's amazing that the popular perception is that the US militarily lost the war and was driven out. I didn't know that, either. Are you sure about that? I've never heard anyone say that.

To: D. Long who wrote (147460)	11/17/2005 10:17:48 PM
From: Hoa Hao	Respond to of 793824

"It's amazing that the popular perception is that the US militarily lost the war and was driven out. But in fact, we militarily won the war and forced the N Vietnamese to sign a ceasefire. South Vietnam only collapsed after we left and the N. Vietnamese violated the ceasefire, and Congress refused to approve money to come to their assistance. We abandoned South Vietnam because the domestic anti-war movement had dissolved US morale to fight North Vietnamese aggression." Probably the best summation of what happened and all in one paragraph.

To: D. Long who wrote (147460)	11/18/2005 2:54:48 AM
From: KLP	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793824

You are so very correct, Derek! Some of the younger people have no idea what really happened in VN, nor do they know that Congress stopped the funding. Many of their parents were out being flower children, so didn't bother to know, nor to care. Dennis Kucinich and John Kerry come to mind... Great post! It's disgraceful. What's even more disgraceful is that those that opposed the war don't feel responsible for the slaughter that followed the abandonment of South Vietnam to the Communists.

To: D. Long who wrote (147460)	11/18/2005 7:29:35 AM
From: unclewest	Respond to of 793824

It's disgraceful. What's even more disgraceful is that those that opposed the war don't feel responsible for the slaughter that followed the abandonment of South Vietnam Well said. And let's not forget that the slaughter by communist forces spread across not only Vietnam but also included Laos and Cambodia. Millions of innocent men, women and children were summarily executed by the communist forces we had contained prior to departing. And it is not over. Human Rights Watch has documented the burning of over 50 Christian Churches by communist officials in the central highlands of Vietnam in the past three years. They have also documented the killing and imprisonment of many many citizens for gathering to practise a non state sponsored religion, i.e. Christianity.

To: D. Long who wrote (147460)	11/18/2005 8:24:03 AM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793824

What's even more disgraceful is that those that opposed the war don't feel responsible for the slaughter that followed the abandonment of South Vietnam to the Communists. I doubt that's a common position. If you recall the discussion before we went into Afghanistan and Iraq, there seemed to be a consensus that we shouldn't go in there and then not stick it out like we did in Vietnam. That came from both sides. Of course, the two sides wanted to deal with it differently. Once side wanted to go in and stick it out and the other wanted to not go in in the first place given that we probably couldn't stick it out. I'd be surprised if there were many people who didn't feel at least some remorse over the abandonment in Vietnam regardless of where they stood on the pull-out.