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To: LLCF who wrote (41384)	11/18/2005 9:12:57 AM
From: Jim McMannis	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 116555

The plan is that Bill goes around doing the dirty work and Hillary acts stately and runs for President. OTOH, I thought the unwritten rule was that past Presidents don't criticise current Presidents. Clinton just can't stay out of the spotlight.

To: LLCF who wrote (41384)	11/18/2005 10:23:06 AM
From: Tommaso	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 116555

>>>I don't understand why this is news... don't most (except Bush won't admit it) think it was a mistake since there were no WMD?<<< Not on this thread: Subject 53920 Did you know that we won the Vietnam War? If we won the Vietnam War, how can this Iraq war possibly be a "mistake"? We are always right and we always win.

To: LLCF who wrote (41384)	11/18/2005 2:38:36 PM
From: regli	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 116555

In believe that this is big news in the ROW because the the international face of the U.S. (the administration) has not admitted that it was a mistake. One has to remember that, especially in Europe, the U.S. has been treated with much affection since WWII even in the face of Vietnam. Vietnam was different because Europe also felt the threat from the Eastern block. This war, however, is totally different. The Europeans populace generally was adamantly against this war and still is. Over the past few years, as the unpleasant facts were consistently leaking out with use of White Phosphorus in Fallujah and the secret CIA prisons simply the latest horror stories, disillusion and even disgust is setting in even in U.S. friendly circles. This is not just bad for business in the U.S. but just as bad for business in Europe as companies have generally oriented themselves towards America. Today for a politician to display U.S. support is just about a death sentence. The fact that Clinton, a highly respected politician, if not the most respected in international circles, comes out and admits to the failure in Iraq finally validates these feelings. I consider this very important as this might present an opening for a new administration to somehow repair the now completely tattered image of the U.S. However, I don't think that the trust that was there only five years ago can ever be regained. We are in a world of shifting alliances now.