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To: Sully- who wrote (15904)11/18/2005 12:28:18 PM
From: Sully-  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 35834
 
Hastert Saddened by Rep. Murtha’s Comments Says Democrats have adopted a policy of “cut and run”

posted by Ron Bonjean
Speaker's Journal

House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-IL) released the following statement in response to comments by Rep. John Murtha (D-PA) regarding the War on Terror.

<<<

“I am saddened by the comments made today by Rep. Murtha. It is clear that as Nancy Pelosi’s top lieutenant on armed services, Rep. Murtha and Democratic leaders have adopted a policy of cut and run. They would prefer that the United States surrender to the terrorists who would harm innocent Americans. To add insult to injury, this is done while the President is on foreign soil.

“Four years ago, America as we knew it changed. The terrorists attacked our people and attacked our nation. Nearly 3,000 Americans lost their lives. Families were destroyed, and our children lost their sense of peace. On that day, we learned that we no longer had a choice. Failure to act – and act strongly – left our nation vulnerable to Osama bin Laden and his band of terrorist followers.

“But now, Rep. Murtha and other Democrats want us to retreat. They want us to wave the white flag of surrender to the terrorists of the world. It is unfortunate that this is all politics all the time. We need to have a strong consistent policy that will protect our men and women who are fighting to protect us overseas. We must not cower like European nations who are now fighting terrorists on their soil.

“This is the highest insult to the brave men and women serving overseas. They have made the ultimate sacrifice to protect our citizens, our way of life and our ideals of freedom and democracy. And they have done excellent work. In the four years since September 11th, the United States and our partners have disrupted at least 10 major terrorist attacks. Three of those attacks were planned on U.S. soil.

"I have known John Murtha to be a long-term veteran of this institution. He has stood up for our troops and has helped to provide them with the right equipment to do their job. We all saw the same pained faces among Americans when terrorists slammed into the Twin Towers. Did he see the faces the rest of America saw when terrorists plowed into the Pentagon or when the plane that was headed for a Washington target went down in Pennsylvania? I saw the faces that day, and, Mr. Murtha, that was no illusion.”

>>>

speaker.house.gov



To: Sully- who wrote (15904)11/18/2005 12:36:30 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
The cut and run party

by Mona Charen
townhall.com
Nov 18, 2005

True to their heritage in foreign policy, 40 out of 45 Democratic senators voted last week to demand a timetable for withdrawal of American forces from Iraq. As in every conflict since Vietnam, Democrats are hoping not to succeed but to skedaddle.

Imagine if the Democrats held a majority in the Congress. The cut and run impulse -- can you call it anything else? -- would become law. Well, the Democrats protest, we cannot condone this war for another minute because we were deceived into supporting it in the first place.

We'll return to that risible claim in a moment. But first let's assume for the sake of argument that it is true. Democrats were given faulty intelligence by President Bush and voted for the war based entirely on those misleading representations. Okay. But now we are in Iraq. The full prestige and credibility of the United States is on the line. Iraq has been liberated from Saddam, yet remains under assault from jihadists, dispossessed Tikritis, and a variety of other assassins and terrorists. Al Qaeda's ringleader in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, maintains a network of suicide bombers and saboteurs who blow our people up when they can and cut off hostages' heads when they require added amusement.

If we were to withdraw in the face of this onslaught, the message to al Qaeda and to the world would be obvious: defeat.
Osama bin Laden took credit for chasing the Soviet Union out of Afghanistan and gloated that his forces had frightened the U.S. out of Somalia. How much more decisive would it appear to the jihadists if they were able to chase the U.S. out of Iraq? And not just to them, but to any potential adversary anywhere on the globe? Don't Democrats ever consider these matters? If they do not, can they really be considered mature or responsible?

Were Democrats tricked into supporting the Iraq War?

The New York Times, lead soloist in the left-wing chorus, claims that Democrats were deceived because the president's daily brief (PDB) was so much more comprehensive than the intelligence provided to the Congress in the National Intelligence Estimate (NIE). A number of Democratic senators have made the same claim, and it seems plausible on the surface as everyone knows that the president gets the very best intelligence available. But the bipartisan Robb/Silberman commission reported that the intelligence in the PDB was, if anything, more alarmist than that in the NIE. In other words, if the NIE said, "Saddam may be reconstituting his nuclear weapons program," the PDB would have said, "Saddam is almost certainly reconstituting his nuclear program." So if the Congress had seen the exact same reports the president saw, it would only have strengthened, not weakened, the case for war.

Nor did the commission find any evidence that intelligence was manipulated, distorted, or, as the left-wing Brits alleged against Tony Blair, "sexed up." The report noted that the intelligence had proved faulty, but then added, "These errors stem from poor tradecraft and poor management. The commission found no evidence of political pressure to influence the intelligence community's pre-war assessments of Iraq's weapons programs." Poor tradecraft? Could that possibly mean that the CIA screwed up royally? Why do the liberals avoid this obvious conclusion and substitute fantasies of Bush lies and distortion?

The Clinton administration was as adamant that Saddam had WMDs as the Bush administration.
Former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright declared in 1998 that "what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risk that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." [Emphasis added.] Liberals acknowledge the Clinton position but hasten to remind us that "Clinton didn't go to war." No. Because the Democrats are the party of talk, endless negotiations and U.N. resolutions. Even when faced with potentially catastrophic threats, they will not act militarily.

And now, in the midst of a grave conflict, they stoop to any lie to discredit a president who did not lack the courage to act.

Mona Charen is a syndicated columnist and political analyst living in the Washington, D.C., area.

townhall.com



To: Sully- who wrote (15904)11/18/2005 12:58:47 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Withdrawal mania

by David Limbaugh
townhall.com
Nov 18, 2005

It is incomprehensible that Republicans are not jumping all over politicians who are calling for a telegraphed timetable for American troop withdrawal from Iraq.

It took the administration and their colleagues in Congress some two years -- and double digit reductions in the president's approval ratings -- finally to take the offense against the liars lying about the president's non-lies on Iraq. Why are they always relegated to playing catch-up?

When certain shrill partisans first leveled their accusation that Bush lied to get us into war, few paid attention, on the theory that manifestly preposterous allegations need not be refuted.

But as the incessant drumbeat against President Bush continued, steadily undermining trust in him and in the worthiness of our cause in Iraq, "mainstream" Democrats were emboldened to pile on -- even though they were brazenly exposing themselves at the same time (if Bush lied, so did they). In the sordid world of political propaganda, "crime" demonstrably pays.

One would hope that Republicans could learn a lesson from this. For when the antiwar fringe politicians first began to call for withdrawal they weren't even taken seriously. Most people instinctively knew how irresponsible their demands were.

But encouraged by their success in eroding the public's trust in the president, Democrat leaders have jumped aboard the reckless withdrawal train as well.

Just as the Bush administration has begun to fire back at the deceivers, playing tapes of their own jingoistic jabber, they proposed legislation to compel the president to establish a timetable for withdrawing troops.

The Republicans, while defeating that measure, have so far passed up an opportunity to turn the tables on their opponents by broadcasting just how grossly irresponsible this effort was. Instead, they passed a lesser bill, which they are trying to spin as a net plus for Republicans, to require the president to issue progress reports on the war.

Don't get me wrong. I have no problem with the president reporting to Congress on the war. If anything, it will give him an opportunity to present a more balanced picture of the story.

But unless Republicans get out front -- rhetorically -- on the "timetable" issue, they risk being subsumed again by the Democrats' relentless propaganda machine, which could eventually result in the United States being forced, through misinformed public opinion, to precipitously withdraw from Iraq.

Republicans must not wait for the Democrat withdrawal cacophony to resume and intensify. They must jump on the appeasers with both feet before they've had a chance to regroup.

In a sane world, it would be like shooting ducks in a barrel.

The Democrats' demand for an arbitrary withdrawal timetable is utterly indefensible.
Apart from the reasons we attacked Iraq initially, which we can continue the charade of debating if we must, no one within shouting distance of sanity believes Saddam's ouster was a bad result.

Once we deposed Saddam we did not abandon Iraq to allow the government void to be filled by terrorist and "insurgent" thugs opposed to Iraqi democracy and self-rule. We have been thwarting the terrorist uprising while helping the Iraqis to establish their own constitution, which they have risked their lives to do.

How can Democrats, as self-proclaimed champions of democracy, in good faith decry these developments? How can they deny that a democratized, autonomous Iraq is more conducive to a healthier, more peaceful Middle East and a safer United States?

As for withdrawing our troops, Democratic leaders are talking to hear their heads rattle (and to score political points). The Bush Administration has long been on record as being committed to turning over the defense of Iraq to Iraqi forces. Notwithstanding the carping from the other side, it is doing everything it can to expedite this transition. It is feverishly engaged in implementing this exit strategy as we speak.

But until the military commanders on the ground in Iraq, as opposed to the political opportunists and armchair generals in the United States, are satisfied that Iraqi troops are ready to assume the primary defense duties throughout Iraq, we cannot leave.

To prematurely establish an arbitrary timetable for our troop withdrawal would jeopardize the stability of the newly constituted Iraqi government, for which, in part, more than 2,000 of our soldiers have died. It would give the terrorists a victory they could never attain on the battlefield. It would reinvigorate their cause by confirming their suspicion that the American infidels lack the resolve to persevere.

Republicans must open fire with both barrels on this issue and force Democrats (and some Republicans) to explain how their insistence on a timetable is anything but suicidal to Iraq and immeasurably detrimental to the national security of the United States.

David Limbaugh is a syndicated columnist who blogs at DavidLimbaugh.com.

townhall.com



To: Sully- who wrote (15904)11/18/2005 1:06:13 PM
From: paret  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 35834
 
A Traitor's Tirade: Rep. John Murtha Soils The Corps

is the title GUNNY BOB used for his column.

If you don't like it, complain to HIM.

______________________________________________________________

gunnybob@850koa.com



To: Sully- who wrote (15904)11/18/2005 1:34:44 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
General Rejects Any Call for Timetable for Withdrawal of Troops

By JOHN F. BURNS
Published: November 17, 2005

BAGHDAD, Iraq, Nov. 16 - A day after the Senate voted down a Democratic proposal to require the Bush administration to project dates for a phased withdrawal of American troops, the general commanding 30,000 troops in Baghdad spoke out forcefully on Wednesday against a withdrawal schedule.

He called it "a recipe for disaster" and a breach of faith with American soldiers who have died here.

The officer, Maj. Gen. William G. Webster Jr., commander of the Third Infantry Division, told reporters at a lunch in the Green Zone command compound that setting dates for withdrawal would undermine the morale of American soldiers. He said it would also spread dismay among ordinary Iraqis, who have told American troops they want the Americans to stay until security improves.

"I think setting any sort of date on the calendar is, and I'm trying to think of the right word, a recipe for disaster," General Webster said.

He will end a yearlong assignment in Iraq in early January when the Fourth Infantry Division assumes responsibility for security in Baghdad.

In his meeting with reporters, he spoke of the 221 members of Task Force Baghdad, composed of the Third Infantry Division and other army units, who have been killed in action under his command, and said their deaths would lose meaning if the United States allowed the insurgents to win the war.

"Look, our troopers are out there trying to get things accomplished every day on the streets of Baghdad because they believe they are doing the right thing," he said, "and they are getting feedback from the Iraqi people in Baghdad virtually every day that this is good, and they feel safe around Americans, they want Americans to be accompanying Iraqis when their homes are looked into, they will invite us in. You hear that a lot.

"The soldiers believe they are making the lives of the Baghdad people better. When you start to set a date on the wall and say, 'We're going to be gone by a certain date,' the insurgents can start to think, 'We're winning,' and they can just wait until we leave.

"And then the 221 soldiers that I have lost this year, their lives will have been in vain."

He added: "It gets me fired up. Yes, we ought to have an exit strategy, and we have one, and I think I understand it, and I think it's working. But setting a date, to say, 'We're going to be gone by this date,' without conditions being met, I think is a loser."

nytimes.com



To: Sully- who wrote (15904)11/18/2005 2:18:19 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Democrats Keep Shifting Towards Surrender

Captain's Quarters
By Captain Ed on War on Terror

Rep. John Murtha pushed the national argument on the Iraq War further towards the International ANSWER/MoveOn agenda this afternoon by demanding an immediate start of an American retreat from Iraq, declaring that American soldiers do not have the capability to defeat terrorists. He based his conclusion not on the facts on the ground, but apparently his experience in Viet Nam, which he tossed around like a West Point degree all afternoon long:

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One of Congress' most hawkish and influential Democrats called Thursday for an immediate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq, sparking bitter and personal salvos from both sides in a growing Capitol Hill uproar over President Bush's war policies.

"It's time to bring them home," said Rep. John Murtha (news, bio, voting record), a decorated Vietnam combat veteran, choking back tears during remarks to reporters. "Our military has accomplished its mission and done its duty."

The comments by the Pennsylvania lawmaker, who has spent three decades in the House, hold particular weight because he is close to many military commanders and has enormous credibility with his colleagues on defense issues. He voted for the war in 2002, and remains the top Democrat on the House Appropriations defense subcommittee.

"Our troops have become the primary target of the insurgency. They are united against U.S. forces and we have become a catalyst for violence," he said. "The war in Iraq is not going as advertised. It is a flawed policy wrapped in illusion."
>>>

I listened to Murtha extensively on CNN this afternoon as Wolf Blitzer interviewed him, and the AP left out some of Murtha's more idiotic commentary. He kept bringing up Abu Ghraib as if it were the most critical juncture in the Iraq War and kept insisting that it doubled the casualty rate. He repeatedly told Blitzer that the military could not beat the terrorists, a lovely message to send to the 150,000 men and women currently deployed to Iraq, as well as the Zarqawi network and their recruiters. In fact, for most of the interview Murtha could hardly complete a sentence, he became so hysterical.

After the White House disputed his assertions -- mostly rehashed arguments we've now heard for almost all three years of this effort, disregarding the actual fact that our military has allowed the Iraqis to develop a democracy and hold two successful and remarkably peaceful elections -- Murtha got viciously personal, pulling out the chickenhawk argument:


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Underscoring the rising emotions of the war debate, Murtha uncharacteristically responded to Vice President Dick Cheney's comments this week that Democrats were spouting "one of the most dishonest and reprehensible charges" about the Bush administration's use of intelligence before the war.

"I like guys who've never been there that criticize us who've been there," said Murtha, a former Marine. "I like that. I like guys who got five deferments and never been there and send people to war, and then don't like to hear suggestions about what needs to be done."
>>>

When will Democrats get through their head that our military comes under civilian control?
This isn't Starship Troopers, where only veterans make decisions on war and peace, and most Americans wouldn't want to live in that kind of society. All due respect to Murtha's Viet Nam service, but being an enlisted man in Viet Nam doesn't make him the reincarnation of von Clausewitz, either. Dick Cheney has served as a Secretary of Defense and has his own expertise on military matters, even if Murtha doesn't want to admit it.

Cutting and running is surrender, no matter who proposes it.
I don't care if Murtha has a chest full of medals -- telling the national media that American troops can't handle Islamofascist terrorists and must be withdrawn from their range of action is cowardice. As I recall, Marshal Petain managed to prostrate himself right quickly before the Nazis despite his status as a WWI hero, too. Besides, where exactly will Murtha draw that line -- New York City? Logan Airport?

Now, of course, the Democrats have the political cover to say that they disagree with Murtha, but they have a more reasonable proposal for a fixed timeline for surrender than Murtha's -- and the media will treat them like "centrists".
Blitzer put on that show with John Kerry later tonight, where the erstwhile presidential candidate came up with his latest formulation of an Iraq policy after trying out at least a half-dozen during his failed presidential bid last year. The Democrats, no longer satisfied with being the Party of No have now become the Party of Panic, all while the Iraqis continue to;

(a) build up their security forces,
(b) establish their democratic structures, and
(c) more fully engage the Sunni in the political process than ever before.

The Iraqis have more courage in their (purple) finger than Murtha has in his entire hysterical body. Shame on him, and shame on his party.

captainsquartersblog.com

news.yahoo.com



To: Sully- who wrote (15904)11/18/2005 2:56:06 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
RE: Murtha

Kathryn Jean Lopez
The Corner

I remain livid about Rep. Murtha. Whenever I have passed a TV today I have been told he's been a hawk—like until today.

Take a look at that 2004 Murtha-Pelosi positioning.

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Murtha: Iraq ‘Unwinnable’

By Erin P. Billings and Emily Pierce
Roll Call Staff
May 6, 2004

Signaling a new, more aggressive line against the Bush administration’s policy on Iraq, Rep. John Murtha (Pa.), the House Democrats’ most visible defense hawk, will join Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) today to make public his previously private statements that the conflict is “unwinnable.”

216.109.125.130
>>>

I don’t doubt the man is honestly concerned Iraq isn't going well.

But I question whether we should all be dropping things to act like he is a new, news story. He's been here, anti-Iraq war. Can we be on the up-and-up about that?


corner.nationalreview.com



To: Sully- who wrote (15904)11/18/2005 3:00:55 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Murtha actively lobbied to have Howard Dean become DNC Chairman......

Murtha: Give Dean DNC chair
The Hill
January 5, 2005


hillnews.com



To: Sully- who wrote (15904)11/18/2005 3:04:26 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Congressman Murtha is getting al Jazeera play.

(hat tip to The Corner)

english.aljazeera.net



To: Sully- who wrote (15904)11/18/2005 3:17:38 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
With friends like this...

Posted by Greyhawk
Mudville Gazette

The Honorable John P Murtha, D Pa, is concerned for me:

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Because we in Congress are charged with sending our sons and daughters into battle, it is our responsibility, our OBLIGATION to speak out for them. That’s why I am speaking out.
>>>

Okay, he's concerned for all the troops, and because of that I'm willing to help him out.

In his speech demanding our immediate surrender in Iraq he cited this statistic on casualties over there: "Over 15,500 have been seriously injured".

He's been visiting them in the hospitals, and that's awesome. But he may have gotten that bit of numerical intel from British sources - specifically the UK's Telegraph, who recently claimed

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While much was made of the US death toll recently reaching 2,000, little has been said of the 15,000 who have returned home mutilated.
>>>

You see, that's not quite right.

There have indeed been over 15,500 wounded. But of those, 8375 returned to duty within 72 hours - so although those wounds weren't funny perhaps those wounds weren't quite serious either.
Still, 7347 troops have been wounded severely enough to require over 72 hours recuperation. Furthermore, 2,791 Soldiers were wounded seriously enough to require evacuation to Stateside Army Medical facilities. And 280 amputees have been treated in Army facilities as a result of the war.

A lot of unscrupulous types who just want to pretend to "support the troops" ignore these facts in favor of the less correct (and more impressive) claim that 15,500 troops have been seriously wounded, or maimed, or mutilated. The real numbers are big enough - I just can't understand why some feel the need to pad them.

After learning and sharing accurate information, there's another great service The Honorable John P Murtha (D, Pa) can perform for those wounded heroes. It seems a lot of unscrupulous types are actually trying to use them for political gain. Shocking, but true, and you can read about it here.


Wounds of War (Part III)
mudvillegazette.com

Given the amount of attention he gets in the press The Honorable Mr Murtha could certainly help expose these sorts of people for what they are.

Anyhow, I think it's important for serious guys like Representative Murtha of Pennsylvania who support the troops above partisan political gain to spend a few extra minutes every once in a while uncovering the readily available facts. Otherwise, unscrupulous opponents might level charges that they're manipulating those facts, or even lying to drag the country out of the war.

Oh, and if you're ever in Pennsylvania, be sure and stop by Pfc. Sam Ross' house - looks like they could use some help from folks who are handy with tools.


Homes for the Troops
homesforourtroops.org

mudvillegazette.com



To: Sully- who wrote (15904)11/18/2005 3:22:32 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
MICKEY KAUS on the Murtha foofaraw:

via Instapundit
    "The press is pretending to be surprised by Murtha's 
views ('An Unlikely Lonesome Dove' ... 'a fierce hawk')
even though he's been a known, public Iraq War skeptic
since at least a year and a half ago. . . . I'm ready to
be convinced that U.S. troops are doing more harm than
good in Iraq, but Murtha's speech is not convincing. He
doesn't even try very hard." He doesn't have to, with all
the help from the press.
http://instapundit.com/archives/026904.php

slate.com



To: Sully- who wrote (15904)11/18/2005 6:03:37 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Let's Take A Vote

Power Line

Speaking of good news coming out of the House of Representatives, the Republican leadership is moving toward a quick vote on Jack Murtha's resolution demanding immediate surrender in Iraq. I think that's great: let the Democrats stand up and be counted.

The Associated Press seems to think it's dirty pool to actually make the Democrats vote on Murtha's resolution.


Their article begins:

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House Republicans, sensing an opportunity for political advantage, maneuvered for a quick vote and swift rejection Friday of a Democratic lawmaker's call for an immediate troop withdrawal from Iraq.
>>>

When was the last time you saw an AP article whose first sentence included the words: "Democrats, sensing an opportunity for political advantage..."?

This lead is a little puzzling, too, since farther down in the article, the AP suggests that most Americans favor surrender in Iraq:


<<<

By forcing the issue to a vote, Republicans placed many Democrats in a politically unappealing position - whether to side with Murtha and expose themselves to attacks from the White House and congressional Republicans, or whether to oppose him and risk angering the voters that polls show want an end to the conflict.
>>>

This obviously makes no sense. If most Americans really do favor an immediate pollout, then why would Democrats fear "exposing themselves to attacks from the White House"? And why would the Republicans gain politically from taking a position that "angers the voters"?

The answer is that, according to every poll I've seen, a clear majority of Americans oppose surrender in Iraq. Cut-and-run is the approach favored by the Associated Press, the major media and the Democratic Party's left-wing base; but that base comprises a small minority of voters. So it makes perfect sense to ask Congressional Democrats to state whether they want to surrender in Iraq, and turn that nation over to al Qaeda, or not.

More than that, of course, it's the right thing to do.

Notwithstanding the media's breathless heralding of each liberal politician who comes out against continuation of the war, a substantial majority of House members will vote to reject the call for surrender. That's good, as our service personnel deserve the assurance that our government continues to stand behind their mission.

powerlineblog.com

news.yahoo.com



To: Sully- who wrote (15904)11/18/2005 6:21:10 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Q&O has a letter to Murtha from a fellow Vietnam veteran that's worth reading, too. Excerpt:
    There is no "peace with honor" when you leave before the 
job is done.
    See the job through to the end despite the obstacles and 
challenges.
    Just once.
    And yes, if it's important, I wore this country's uniform 
for 28 years as an infantry officer. I believe as much in
the oath I took then as I do now. More importantly, I
remember the feeling that my country had abandoned me as
if it were yesterday, and I vowed if it ever tried it
again, I'd speak up loudly and often.
    It would be nice to believe you too remember that, and 
you too had made that sort of a vow.
(hat tip to Instapundit)

qando.net



To: Sully- who wrote (15904)11/19/2005 12:32:33 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Still Flaky

Best of the Web
BY JAMES TARANTO
Friday, November 18, 2005

Even the New York Sun is hyping the news that Rep. John Murtha of Pennsylvania, supposedly a hawkish moderate Democrat, has joined the cut-and-run caucus. "Bush in 'Nosedive' as Murtha Urges Retreat" reads today's Sun headline (though the lead sentence says "President Bush's power appears to have reached a nadir," which would mean he's coming out of a nosedive). Here's what Murtha had to say:

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Mr. Murtha said American forces should "immediately redeploy" from Iraq in order to help Iraqis take control of their country. "The presence of U.S. troops in Iraq is impeding this progress. Our troops have become the primary target of the insurgency. They are united against U.S. forces, and we have become a catalyst for violence," the congressman said.
>>>

This is not news. Murtha flaked out on the liberation of Iraq even before Congress approved it.
In September 2002, a month before the congressional authorization, an outfit called Veterans for Common Sense reported that Murtha was "questioning a war-powers resolution that even most Democratic leaders seem reluctant to oppose":

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''All of us want to get rid of Saddam,'' Murtha says. But he believes that [President] Bush ''went about it the wrong way.'' . . .

Murtha says a key reason for questioning a second Iraq war is strategic. He's worried that it would cost the United States not only money and lives, but also important allies. By moving without international support, Bush could alienate Arab allies, and ''we could lose access to the intelligence we need to fight the war on terrorism.'' . . .

Nothing he has seen in intelligence reports has convinced him that Bush needs to rush through a resolution, Murtha says. Even so, he has not decided how he will vote.
>>>

Murtha ended up voting in favor of the liberation. Then, in May 2004, as the Associated Press reported, he called for more troops:


<<<

"We cannot prevail in this war as it is going today," Murtha said yesterday at a news conference with House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi. Murtha said the incidents of prisoner abuse in Iraq were a symptom of a problem in which U.S. troops in Iraq are undermanned, inadequately equipped and poorly trained.

"We either have to mobilize or we have to get out," Murtha said, adding that he supported increasing U.S. troop strength rather than pulling out.
>>>

Murtha had rather eccentric views about where the increased troop strength should come from. As we noted in October 2004, he was one of only two members of Congress to vote for a bill that would have reinstated the draft--a bill opposed even by its sponsor, grandstanding Charlie Rangel.

An exchange with Margaret Warner on last night's "NewsHour With Jim Lehrer," though, suggests that Murtha has simply taken leave of reality:


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Warner: But may I ask you, sir, if you believe--[the president] says--for whatever reason, Iraq has become the center of terrorism - that if the U.S. appears to retreat in the face of that, that it will be a blow to the American fight against radical Islamic terrorism? What do you say to that?

Murtha: Well, I say that the fight against Americans began with Abu Ghraib. It began with the invasion of Iraq. That's when terrorism started. It didn't start when there was criticism of this administration. This administration doesn't want to listen to any ideas.
>>>

So according to Murtha, "terrorism started" either in March 2003 (with the "invasion of Iraq") or in May 2004 (when the Abu Ghraib miniscandal came to light). One wonders where he was in, say, September 2001. One wonders, too, how a political party can keep a straight face while putting him forward as a spokesman on national security.

(Hat tips: Glenn Reynolds and Mickey Kaus.)

opinionjournal.com

daily.nysun.com

veteransforcommonsense.org

pittsburghlive.com

opinionjournal.com

pbs.org

instapundit.com

slate.com



To: Sully- who wrote (15904)11/19/2005 2:08:17 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
REPUBLICANS FIGHTING BACK, CON'T

Kathryn Jean Lopez
The Corner

Roll Call [sub. required]:

<<<

Republican lawmakers say that ties between Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.) and his brother's lobbying firm, KSA Consulting, may warrant investigation by the House ethics committee...

According to a June 13 article in The Los Angeles Times, the fiscal 2005 defense appropriations bill included more than $20 million in funding for at least 10 companies for whom KSA lobbied. Carmen Scialabba, a longtime Murtha aide, works at KSA as well.

KSA directly lobbied Murtha's office on behalf of seven companies, and a Murtha aide told a defense contractor that it should retain KSA to represent it, according to the LA Times.

In early 2004, Murtha reportedly leaned on U.S. Navy officials to sign a contract to transfer the Hunters Point Shipyard to the city of San Francisco, according to the San Francisco Chronicle. A company called Lennar Inc. had right to the land, and Laurence Pelosi, nephew to House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), was an executive with the firm at that time.

Murtha also inserted earmarks in defense bills that steered millions of dollars in federal research funds toward companies owned by children of fellow Pennsylvania Rep. Paul Kanjorski (D). ..
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To: Sully- who wrote (15904)11/21/2005 1:10:58 AM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Unlearning the lessons of the past

By Jay Tea on War On Terror
Wizbang

Now the Democrats are saying we need a "clearly defined exit strategy" in Iraq. This is a time-honored practice -- but honored in its failure.

Let's look back on the 20th Century wars of the United States, and see just how well the application of this theory has held up:

World War I:

Exit Strategy: Yes, come home as soon as it's over and start 20+ years of isolationism.

Consequence: World War II

World War II:

Exit Strategy: None.

Return date of troops: Still pending, 60+ years later

Consequence: Germany and Japan become staunch allies.

Korea:

Exit Strategy: None.

Return date of troops: Still pending, 50+ years later

Consequence: No resumption of war.

Viet Nam:

Exit strategy: Pull out after treaty signed.

Return date of troops: within a few years of signing.

Consequence: North reneges on treaty, conquers South, still Communist 30 years later.

Gulf War I:

Exit Strategy: ground troops out, enforcement of terms of surrender from air only.

Return date of troops: nearly all within a year or so of surrender.

Consequences: 12 years of "cheat and retreat," "Oil For Food" scandal, re-invasion 12 years later.

Balkans:

Exit Strategy: Too many to count, never fulfilled.

Return date of troops: "By Christmas," but still present.

Consequences: semi-permanent presence of US forces 10 years later.

The lesson is clear:

Exit strategies are for wars that you don't plan to win, and to win decisively.

wizbangblog.com



To: Sully- who wrote (15904)11/21/2005 1:55:45 AM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
John Murtha and Cindy Sheehan....

By jkelly
Irish Pennants

....have a lot in common. That's not obvious at first glance, because Rep. Murtha, a retired Marine reserve colonel, is a substantive man, and Cindy Sheehan is...Cindy Sheehan.

But Cindy owes her fading, and Murtha owes his current celebrity to the news media, who use them as symbols to attack the war in Iraq.

Both have been hyped for their purported ability to speak against the war with moral authority. Cindy's soldier son was killed in Iraq. Murtha was wounded, and decorated for valor, in Vietnam.

Cindy Sheehan is not distinguished by intellect or education from the more than 2,000 other mothers who have lost sons or daughters in Iraq. But -- according to the news media -- they cannot speak with moral authority because (most of them) support U.S. policy in Iraq.

The vast majority of Marines, present and former, support U.S. policy in Iraq, which is why they cannot speak with the moral clarity of a Jack Murtha.

When Murtha introduced a resolution last week calling for withdrawal from Iraq within six months, this was treated by the news media as if it were new, and a big deal. It was neither.

Murtha is routinely described by the news media as a "hawkish" Democrat, which in this context definitely is misleading. Murtha has been publicly opposed to the war in Iraq since at least July of last year, and he'd supported the candidacy of Howard Dean, the most anti-war of the Democrats seeking their party's presidential nomination.

Having been a Marine is a good thing. But being -- or having been -- a Marine is not a 100 percent endorsement of character or judgment. Lee Harvey Oswald was a Marine. Jimmy Massey, the current lying lion of the fever swamp Left, was a Marine. Scott Ritter was a Marine. So was Anthony Swofford, author of the vile "Jarhead." This is why we speak of "former Marines," on the one hand, and "ex-Marines" on the other.

John Murtha does not belong in that company, but he is closer to it in his viewpoint than he is to the vast majority of Marines.

The House Republican leadership did a smart thing by calling what amounted to the Murtha plan to a vote, but sharply diminished its effectiveness by not using Murtha's precise language. Democrats loud to praise Murtha for his "courage" were unwilling to put their names on his prescription.

The Senate GOP should correct the House's mistake by bringing Murtha's precise "resolved" clause to a floor vote.
This would compensate for whatever harm was done by the resolution the Senate earlier adopted on Iraq (now that Ed Morrissey has recanted, I'm apparently the only conservative blogger who thinks it wasn't much), and would put those Senate Democrats who want to run for president (which, apparently, is most of them) on record on a question they would just as soon avoid.

I think we're only a few months away from having it be prudent to announce a rough timetable for leaving Iraq.

The primary reason why public support for the war has declined is because much of the Democratic Party has adopted sedition as a partisan tactic, and the news media are acting as the propaganda arm of the Democratic Party.

But, because of the Three Year Rule, public support would be waning in any event. Jim Dunnigan of StrategyPage explains:

    In all of America's wars, popular support for the war 
effort sharply declined after three years. Even though
the government said, from late September, 2001 on, that
the war on terror would be a long one, this has not
changed the impact of the Three Year War. If you can't
get it over with within three years, you are going to
face more and more voter opposition to the war effort. Go
back and look at the history of all of America's long
(over three years) wars and you will see this play out.
It's happening in the war on terror, and the various
theaters of conflict (notably Afghanistan and Iraq.
With the media's daily focus on our casualties, Americans see no end in sight.

In fact, we have a plan for withdrawal. We've had it for more than a year, and it's working. It isn't quite time yet to let Americans in on the plan, but it will be soon.

We can (largely) leave Iraq when Iraqi security forces are large enough and competent enough to handle the insurgency themselves. Our military thinks that around May or June of next year, there will be a sufficient number of Iraqi soldiers and police trained and in the field to permit a major American (and allied) withdrawal.

The withdrawal plans are not contingent upon a significant weakening of the insurgency, though they could be speeded up if it is. And, of course, a significant increase in violence could throw a monkey wrench into our plans.

We cannot talk publicly about a withdrawal until after the last great political hurdle in Iraq -- the election of a permanent government under the new constitution, scheduled for Dec. 15th -- has been cleared.

But after a permanent Iraqi government has been formed, such a discussion is important both for our politics, and for theirs.

By next summer, the Iraqis ought to be able to take over the fighting and patrolling, but will still require American advisers in their units, American air and artillery support, and (for a while) some fire brigade forces of American armor to call upon in a crisis.

The Iraqis will require air and logistic support for several years t come. But we ought to be able to reduce troop strength in Iraq by about a third before the fall campaign begins next year, and to announce that troop strength will fall by another third in 2007.

The Iraqis need to know that we will not leave them in a lurch. But they also need to know that we plan to leave. Americans need to know that we will not throw away the sacrifices our troops have made. But they also need to know there is an end in sight.

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To: Sully- who wrote (15904)11/21/2005 3:10:46 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
MURTHA SHOULD LEARN FROM HISTORY:

From National Review Online:
    "In 1990, North Vietnamese General Vo Nguyen Giap, 
confirming what he has written in his own memoirs, told
Stanley Karnow that "We were not strong enough to drive
out a half-million American troops, but that wasn't our
aim. Our intention was to break the will of the American
government to continue the war." Murtha should know this
history; the Iraqi insurgents certainly do."
Click here.
nationalreview.com

Hat tip to Laura Ingraham

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To: Sully- who wrote (15904)11/21/2005 3:20:11 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Murtha Balks at Own Proposal

Best of the Web
BY JAMES TARANTO
Monday, November 21, 2005

Late Friday night the House took a vote on Rep. John Murtha's proposal for an immediate withdrawal from Iraq. The vote was 403-3 against, with Murtha among the 403. The only congressmen favoring Murtha's idea were three far-left Democrats: Cynthia McKinney of Georgia, Jose Serrano of New York and Robert Wexler of Florida. Six Dems voted "present": Michael Capuano (Mass.), William Clay (Mo.), Maurice Hinchey (N.Y.), Jim McDermott (Wash.), Jerrold Nadler (N.Y.) and Major Owens (N.Y.).

Some Republicans have labeled Murtha a "coward," which strikes us as unduly personal. But he does seem to lack the courage of his convictions.

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To: Sully- who wrote (15904)11/22/2005 4:11:31 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
    It would be nice if Murtha and others who have called for 
a fast pullout would say what they believe will be
achieved. Do they foolishly believe we can say, "never
mind," wash our hands of the matter and not be attacked
again?

Sounding the Trumpet of Retreat

by Cal Thomas

Nov 21, 2005

We now have a legitimate comparison between the Vietnam War and what is taking place in Iraq. That comparison was summed up nicely in a Wall Street Journal editorial last Friday about the untimely call by Rep. John Murtha, Pennsylvania Democrat and decorated Vietnam veteran, for the withdrawal of American forces from Iraq. The Journal recalled a comment made to historian Stanley Karnow in a 1990 interview by North Vietnamese General Vo Nguyen Giap: "We were not strong enough to drive out a half-million American troops, but that wasn't our aim. Our intention was to break the will of the American government to continue the war."

Vietnam and Iraq are significantly different, but Iraq could resemble Vietnam, if Murtha's advice is taken. We lost the war in Vietnam when we lost our will and failed to implement a plan for victory. There were no lasting negative effects on the United States, other than 58 thousand dead Americans, but that failed effort is one of several post-World War II withdrawals by American forces prior to achieving objectives that inspired Osama bin Laden and his bloody terrorist brothers to believe that we are weak and so can be made to precipitously quit Iraq.

If we lose the peace in Iraq, it will strengthen the resolve of the terrorists to commit new atrocities, possibly again on our own soil. It would be nice if Murtha and others who have called for a fast pullout would say what they believe will be achieved. Do they foolishly believe we can say, "never mind," wash our hands of the matter and not be attacked again?

One indication that Murtha's comments can only encourage the enemy not to quit is that they flashed around the Arab world on al-Jazeera TV within moments of his making them. What must Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, head of al-Qaida in Iraq, and Osama bin Laden think of this? Just that their prophecy is coming true: America doesn't have the stomach for war and if the terrorists can hold us off for a while, we will give up.

Those who would impose a timetable rather than seek victory have an obligation to say what they believe will follow precipitous withdrawal. If it's disaster for the Iraqis and for us, will they take full responsibility? Quitting before a stable democracy and self-sufficient Iraqi military is in place isn't a strategy. It is surrender. Some of the same House Democrats calling for a pullout didn't have the guts to vote on a House resolution proposing exactly that course of action. The GOP majority forced an on-the-record vote last week. Rather than voting their supposed "consciences," most Democrats ran for cover and voted against the measure, which was defeated 403-3. Democrats, who have been playing nothing but politics since President Bush's approval numbers began to sink, accuse Republicans of playing politics. No they weren't. Republicans simply gave Democrats an opportunity to put their votes where their mouths have been. That they didn't do so exposes their political motives.

The biggest turncoat is former President Bill Clinton, who not only spoke out against the war and a sitting president, but also did it on Arab soil. As usual, Clinton tried to have it both ways, telling students at the American University in Dubai, it's a "good thing" Saddam is gone, "but I don't agree with what was done." Does Clinton think more diplomacy and toothless resolutions would have done the job? He didn't when he was president. On Oct. 31, 1998, President Clinton signed the Iraq Liberation Act, saying, "The United States favors an Iraq that offers its people freedom at home. I categorically reject arguments that this is unattainable due to Iraq's history or its ethnic or sectarian makeup. Iraqis deserve and desire freedom like everyone else."

He sounds like President Bush, who has adopted similar language. The hypocrisy of it all has escaped Bush-bashing Democrats.

Iraq isn't a political beanbag. This is a world war, the results of which can only end in defeat for one side. There is no "coming home" from this war. We are engaged whether we like it or not. Religious fanatics aren't going to participate in a U.S.S. Missouri moment, signing documents of surrender. They must be crushed and demoralized so that they will have no hope in this life or the next of achieving their dreams of a worldwide caliphate. Those are the stakes. Democrats had better ask themselves whether politics or national survival means more to them and what actions and words help or harm America and our troops.

Cal Thomas is a contributing columnist for Townhall.com

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To: Sully- who wrote (15904)11/23/2005 11:26:04 AM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Murtha On The Record On Somalia

By Captain Ed on War on Terror
Captain's Quarters

Earlier today, I posted about John Murtha's stance on Somalia based on a Newsmax article. Various CQ readers have had an opportunity to research the subject further, and have discovered several references to the cut-and-run position Murtha urged on the Clinton adminstration -- advice it took, and helped to create the paper-tiger reputation that led to a decade of escalating attacks on the United States. These remarks come not from Newsmax but from Nexis searches of mainline press and from the Congressional Record itself.

Let me be clear on one point. In 1993, many people espoused the cut-and-run position from Somalia, among them Curt Weldon, one of the most vociferous hawks on Iraq. In fact, it does not stretch the imagination at all to call that position one of the more bipartisan efforts in the 103rd Congress. The difference is that in the eight years between our run from Somalia and 9/11, most of us learned the bitter lesson that retreating in the face of Islamists does not connote reasonableness and humanity, but cowardice and powerlessness. Combined with our spinelessness in Teheran, Beirut, and in caving into hostage demands from Hezbollah in the mid-80s, the pattern clearly gave Islamists the accurate depiction that Americans could not stand any sort of casualties in war and would quickly retire after the first bloody nose.

Most of us learned that retreat means that the Islamists simply follow you home. The first WTC attack should have taught us that, but even though the Clinton administration insisted on treating it as an organized-crime case, other battles followed: Khobar Towers, Tanzania, Kenya, and finally an attack on the USS Cole, a daylight attack on our military that went unanswered. Each silence that followed each attack only emboldened our enemies more.

They do not want peace -- they want a war, and will take it to our shores if we don't give it to them elsewhere.

I point out these examples of Murtha's statements on Somalia for two reasons. One, his remarks on the state of the troops in Somalia sounds almost exactly like his assessment of the troops in Iraq; indeed, it sounds like he's using the same script. Two, his track record hardly makes him a "hawk", as the media describes him, but an isolationist that has never believed in a forward strategy against terror or anything else. That doesn't make Murtha dishonorable, at least to the extent that he doesn't pretend his record says anything other than what it does.

In the extended entry, I have copied Murtha's remarks from November 9, 1993 (page H9054) in the Congressional Record. I have also copied portions of Murtha's comments to the public as reported by Murtha's home-state newspaper, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette (h/t: CQ reader Tom W). See if you, as I, notice the similarities in argument for Murtha. It points to a serial isolationist that refuses to stand and fight outside of the United States, not to a hawk on Iraq or any other theater of battle.

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Mr. MURTHA . Mr. Speaker, let me just make a couple of points.

I expressed my opposition to our deployment to Somalia when it began. When I went to the White House, I expressed my concern to President Bush.

I said, `This is a mistake, we shouldn't deploy under these circumstances, and it's going to deplete the resources of the Armed Forces,' and I asked him how we were going to get out and when we were going to get out.

Mr. Speaker, he said, `I'll have these troops out by Inauguration Day.'

Well, Mr. Speaker, the United Nations was slow in its deployment to basically take over the U.S. role. The United Nations came to depend heavily on the United States. That was a mistake, no question about it. The administration has learned substantially from this and it has listened to our voices and our advice.

When I went to Somalia the first time, Mr. Speaker, my reservations remained the same. I told the new administration, when it came in, `We should get out of Somalia as quickly as possible,' and in the middle of July I said, `Get our troops out because this could deteriorate into a very tragic situation.'

I made a second trip to Somalia in October. I know the gentleman from California [Mr. Dornan] also went there. I talked to the Rangers about the October 3 incident. It was a bloody battle. The troops conducted themselves well. They fought valiantly in a congested urban environment.

The President has reassessed the situation. He called everybody in. He listened to what was suggested by the military commanders, and that was, `We need time, first of all, to put forces in place in order to protect our American forces.' They also stated that, because the United Nations has extremely limited logistics capability and poor communications and intelligence, time was needed for the United Nations to develop these functions which had been conducted almost exclusively by U.S. forces.

Now how are we to get out of there? General Bir, the U.N. commander, said, `It would be chaos, a debacle, a disaster if the United States pulled out too quickly. We have to have time,' and these are his words, `in order to replace the logistic support the United States has been providing.' Now how do we do that?

They have a plan. They are going to do that with a civilian operation. We have provided, in our conference report tomorrow, the authority to the Department of Defense to allow them to contract with a civilian authority to provide these administrative logistics type capabilities.

Not only that, but in the conference report we set aside a sense-of-Congress resolution that says: `In the future, before you get involved in these kinds of operations, have consultation with the Congress. Don't wait until there's a tragedy. Consult with the Congress beforehand.'

In working with the gentleman from Indiana [Mr. Hamilton], and the gentleman from California [Mr. Dellums], and the gentleman from Pennsylvania [Mr. McDade], and the gentleman from New York [Mr. Gilman], and all the other Members, we have tried to work out some kind of a reasonable process where Members of Congress are consulted, with all the experience in the House and in the Senate, before something like this happens.

But I have to say this:

One thing we have learned from Vietnam is that we cannot from the Halls of Congress dictate to the military the strategy for any kind of operation, but we have got to leave it up to the military to make the tactical onsite decisions.

On the ground, every military commander is saying, `I need until March 31.' The recommendation by General Hoar, who spent over 2 hours briefing me about what happened in that tragic event, was `I need until March 31, because I cannot attain our objectives any quicker. Even if he gets a protective buildup done within a month, it will take considerable time beyond that to phase our forces out in a reasonable manner and to establish adequate logistic administrative support to take care of the U.N. mission. Ambassador Oakley also told me he needed until March 31. I realize this is a nonbinding resolution, I realize the Congress wants to speak on this situation, and I think the administration has heard the objections. The administration came to a conclusion--March 31 is the earliest date we can complete our withdrawal.

Mr. Speaker, I would urge the Members to vote against the amendment offered by the gentleman from New York [Mr. Gilman] and give the President an opportunity to get the troops out in an orderly manner as quickly as prudently possible.
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Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Oct 19, 1993
Jack Torry

HEADLINE: MURTHA FINDS U.S. RANGERS IN SOMALIA DISCOURAGED

''They're subdued compared to normal morale of elite forces,'' Murtha said. ''Obviously, it was a very difficult battle. A lot of Somalis were killed, but it was a brutal battle.

''A lot of people were hurt badly; helicopters burned and legs lost. It was a very, very difficult battle.

''I think everybody feels it's hard to define the mission, and there's no military solution. Some of them will tell you to get Aidid is the solution. I don't agree with that.''

But Murtha returned from Somalia convinced that the U.S. ground commanders will need to keep U.S. forces there until next March because ''they say they need that much time for a reasonable chance of success to the operation.''

Murtha has criticized the Somalia operation since former President George Bush sent more than 28,000 U.S. troops to the African nation last year in an attempt to end a famine that was killing hundreds of thousands of Somalians.

But Murtha has stepped up his objections since last summer, when U.S. forces were ordered to locate and capture Aidid. Last week, President Clinton indicated that U.S. forces would no longer participate in efforts to hunt Aidid.

''I think they over-emphasized the Aidid thing,'' Murtha said. ''I think the president did exactly the right thing when he depersonalized it.''

Note that the reporting on this accurately depicts the expansion of the Somalia mission. Much of the history of this mission gets twisted as Bush 41's war on the warlords, but Bush only sent troops to carry out the UN mission of famine abatement. It was Clinton in the summer of 1993 that expanded the US role to include pacifying the warlords, specifically but not exclusively Aidid, and did it without refitting the deployed troops with the necessary resources for the mission.

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To: Sully- who wrote (15904)12/1/2005 2:14:17 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Pelosi's Disastrous Miscalculation

The House Democratic leader may have just handed a victory to the Congressional GOP.

by William Kristol
The Weekly Standard
11/30/2005

Today, Nancy Pelosi endorsed withdrawal from Iraq.


Her statement is a political opportunity for the GOP.

Until now, it seemed to me more likely than not that Democrats would win back the House in 2006: Bush's numbers are bad; the GOP is getting no credit for a strong economy (which could in any case weaken by a year from now); the Abramoff scandal is going to get bigger; twelve years in charge of the House, and three years in control of all three elected bodies, have created weariness and dissatisfaction with the GOP. All this made me think the 2006 elections could result in a Speaker Pelosi.

I now think that unlikely.

Pelosi's endorsement today of the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq makes the House Democrats the party of defeat, the party of surrender.
Bush's strong speech today means the GOP is likely to be--if Republican Congressmen just keep their nerve--the party of victory. Now it is possible that the situation in Iraq will worsen over the next year. If that happens, Bush and the GOP are in deep trouble. They would have been if Pelosi had said nothing. But it is much more likely that the situation in Iraq will stay more or less the same, or improve. In either case, Republicans will benefit from being the party of victory.

It goes without saying that Bush should seek victory in Iraq regardless of Congressional elections, and regardless of polling results. But Republicans on the Hill, whose nervousness has in turn rattled some in the White House, should now realize that the die is cast. If, a year from now, Iraq is judged to have been a mistake and to be a disaster, the Democrats will benefit--for that is the position of their leadership. But if Iraq is judged to be a war worth fighting and winning--a war we are proud our soldiers are fighting and which we expect to win--that judgment will benefit the GOP in a way it might not have until Pelosi's statement today.

So all Bush has to do is fight the war. And if he really wants to torment the Democrats--and advance the war effort--he could make Joe Lieberman Secretary of Defense.

--William Kristol

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To: Sully- who wrote (15904)12/3/2005 9:37:14 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Instapundit

MAJOR JOHN TAMMES, an Illinois National Guardsman recently returned from Afghanistan, responds to Rep. Murtha's "broken army" comments, and he's not happy:
    Unmitigated crap. And I don't say this out of 
defensiveness or service pride - I'll tell you about how
far we have had to come in a bit. First, though, a little
material for you to mull over. . . .
    As anyone who has read this blog knows, The Inner Prop 
and I served in Operation Enduring Freedom V (Afghanistan,
March 2004-March 2005). We stood at the end of the longest
sustained supply line in the history of human conflict.
We were in war-torn Central Asia. Af-frickin'-ghanistan.
We had decent food, e-mail, phone (OK, sometimes they
weren't always working, but almost all the time) excellent
medical support, good pay, regular (if slow) mail. We had
a PXs at most of the larger bases, and coffee places sprang
up too. We had so damned much ammunition that we needed
to build a bigger ammunition supply point at Bagram, AF.
We had so many vehicles that we were constantly squabbling
over where to put them all - and we had enough up-armored
ones too. Our supply warehouses were stuffed with clothing,
boots, body armor and the like. "Living hand to mouth" is
the worst lie of the bunch.
    The constant stream of re-enlistments was a revelation to 
me. When I was the Executive Officer of the garrison at
Bagram Airfield (a job I gladly traded away after 5 months)
I had to find room to more than double the size of the
Retention Office. I personally administered the oath of
re-enlistment to an E-5 and an E-7. The E-5 was a mother
of two young children and the E-7 was eligible to retire
when we got home!
    Broken? Hardly. Is it difficult work? Yes.
Read the whole thing.
miserabledonuts.blogspot.com

My own opinion is that Congress is "broken." But not, alas, living hand-to-mouth.

UPDATE: While Rep. Murtha doesn't have the time to get the facts right on the war, Congress does have the time to investigate the BCS system. Jeez. Did I say "broken?" Yes, I did.

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To: Sully- who wrote (15904)12/6/2005 2:43:37 AM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Somebody Forgot to Tell the Troops That They're "Worn Out"

Posted by Bluto
The Jawa Report

When US Representative Jack Murtha publicly characterized our troops as "broken, worn out" and "living hand-to-mouth," I decided to check the allegation out. Since Murtha was complaining mainly about military equipment, I reasoned that the symptoms would show up at major theater repair depots.

So I sought out the opinion of an NCO I know, who supervises mechanics at Camp Arifjan in Kuwait. Early in his deployment, this soldier had mentioned trouble getting parts and snafus like the engines of some "up-armored" Humvees not being able to handle the extra weight of the armor.

The sergeant had not heard about Murtha's comments; outside news sources are few at Arifjan, and the soldiers there are too busy keeping things in good repair to spend time surfing the 'net.

He was, to put it mildy, highly pissed at Murtha's words. The revelation that Murtha was a 37-year Marine Corps veteran drew a response along the lines of Murtha's opinion being of less value than certain noxious bodily waste products, ex-jarhead or no.

And the current situation at this huge base is this: repairs are handled quickly and efficiently, most parts are already in stock. Those that aren't are usually secured within two days. The army is not "broken, worn out" and "living hand-to-mouth," and one particular soldier did not appreciate the implication.

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To: Sully- who wrote (15904)12/6/2005 7:58:29 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Murtha vs. Murtha: Rep. Murtha on the prospects of an Iraqi civil war:

Mickey Kaus
    [T]here's a civil war going. We're caught in between a 
civil war right now. Our troops are the targets of the
civil war. They're the only people that could have
unified the various factions in Iraq. And they're unified
against us.
--ABC's This Week, 12/4/05
    [W]hy should I believe what the CIA says about what's 
happening in Iraq, that there's going to be a civil war?
First of all, al Qaeda was wrong. It was wrong on the
nuclear stuff. It was wrong on everything they have said
over there. So why should I believe that there's going to
be a civil war?
-- same show, a few moments later.

Rep. Murtha on whether the Iraqis will throw us out:

[T]he military won a military victory. They got rid of
Saddam Hussein. ...[snip] ... Now, it's got to be a
political win. They have to win this politically. The
Iraqis themselves. We'll stay there forever. The Iraqis
are never going to say turn it over.
We can't allow them
to say when it's gonna turn it over.
--This Week, 12/4/05

You're gonna see the Iraqis clamoring. Listen, anybody we
support in Iraq loses the election. And so they're gonna
be clamoring for us to get out.
-- same show, a few moments later.

Sorry, this man seems confused.

In his current state I wouldn't follow him either into battle or out of it. ...

P.S.: Reinforcing the suggestion that he's been pulling a Nader, Murtha also had nice things to say about President Bush. ("I like this guy. ...Well, he's coming around, because he's talking about redeployment. He's talking about pulling our troops out. And I can see by what he's saying that we're going to be out of there by the end of the year or very close to it.") I must have missed the subsequent wall-to-wall fish-out-of-water MSM coverage--you know, "Longtime Iraq War Critic Praises Bush Plans," that sort of thing. ...

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To: Sully- who wrote (15904)12/13/2005 2:45:34 AM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
John Murtha Echoes Dean: We Can’t Win In Iraq

By Rob on The Loony Left
Say Anything

As Democrats continue to bristle at being called a bunch of defeatists Rep. John Murtha gives us all another reason to tag them with that title:

<<<

“There’s no way you can win a war when not only have you lost the hearts and minds of people, when you have become their enemy,” Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., said during a press conference at the Ritz Carlton in Philadelphia.
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Too bad for Democrats that the people of Iraq don’t share Rep. Murtha’s feelings.

As close as we are to victory in Iraq what else can we call this defeatism but a blatant attempt to undermine American foreign policy for the sake of political gain?

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