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To: Richnorth who wrote (70492)11/21/2005 5:43:15 PM
From: Lazarus_LongRespond to of 81568
 
You're referring to the Pueblo, I assume. A bit more complicated:

Operation Clickbeetle missions required a minimal risk environment. The planners' low-risk assessment hinged on the fact that the Pueblo would be operating in international waters. This was the core of the problem. While the US and Soviet Union conducted such operations off each other's coasts and reached a tacit understanding, there was no such consensus with other communist states. The US intelligence community assumed that the understanding between the US and the Soviet Union extended to the greater communist bloc. The Pueblo failed all of the criteria for low risk status, including political sensitivity, weather, scope of operation, ability to perform, and degree of support. Furthermore, the US intelligence community ignored warning signs emanating from the Korean peninsula in 1967 and 68. In 1966, North Korea violated the armistice agreements 60 times, yet the next year, it would violate it 543 times. In January, 1968 not only did the communist country violate the agreement 40 times, but specifically attempted to assassinate the South Korean president.

You many not know what happened on January 23, 1968. After an uneventful few weeks, the North Koreans spotted the Pueblo on the afternoon of January 22. Harassment was to be expected in international waters, and the captain was instructed not to back down. On January 23, 4 North Korean torpedo boats and submarine chasers surrounded the vessel.

web.mit.edu

he Pueblo, a tiny World War II-vintage supply ship newly reconditioned for spy service, sailed out of its home port of Yokosuka, Japan, on Jan. 5, 1968. After a brief stop at Sasebo Naval Base, Japan, the ship braved frigid temperatures and stormy seas for its maiden mission in the Sea of Japan, in international water about 15 miles off the coast of North Korea.
globalsecurity.org

Ever since the day the ship was captured, U.S. and North Korean officials have differed fiercely over the USS Pueblo's position when it was captured. The United States has maintained that the ship was in international waters; the North Koreans insist that the Americans had illegally entered their territory.
pbs.org
The US gov't maintains to this day that the Pueblo was captured in international waters in violation of international law. You can prove otherwise? Produce it.

Did you know that during the Vietnam War, a US naval vessel pounded North Vietnam positions from 20 miles out at sea, taking advantage that no North Vietnamese guns could retaliate at that range. What happened was that the North Vietnamese blew the US ship out of the water! How? Unbeknownst to US surveillance, the North Vietnamese bodily carried dismantled long-range guns into the battle area and reassembled them just as they did way back in 1954 at Dien Bien-Phu against the French, and fired deadly salvos on the doomed American vessel. Of course, everyone knows the full Vietnam story, eh?
No ****! SOMEBODY MADE A MISTAKE IN WARTIME! WOW! BET THAT NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE!
Ever hear of Market Garden? Stalingrad? The USSR attack on Finland prior to WW2?

What's your solution? Never fight?

Osama loves you.



To: Richnorth who wrote (70492)11/21/2005 6:16:23 PM
From: Lazarus_LongRead Replies (2) | Respond to of 81568
 
On a tour of Alaska, the Pope went to the mountains for some sightseeing.

He was cruising along when suddenly there was a frantic commotion just at the edge of the woods. A helpless Democrat environmentalist, wearing a "Save the Whales" T-shirt, was struggling frantically, trying to free himself from the jaws of a 12-foot grizzly.

As the Pope watched horrified, a group of Republican loggers came racing up. One quickly fired a .44 magnum into the bear's chest. The other two reached up and pulled the bleeding, semiconscious Democrat from the bear.

Then, the three loggers threw the bear onto the bed of their truck while the other tenderly placed the injured Democrat in the back seat.

The Pope said to the loggers, "I give you my blessing for your brave actions! I heard there was a bitter hatred between loggers and environmental activists, but now I've seen with my own eyes that love overcomes differences."

As the Pope drove off, one of the loggers said, "That was the Pope. He has access to all God's wisdom."

Another logger said, "He may have access to all God's wisdom, but he sure doesn't know anything about bear hunting. By the way, is the bait holding up okay or do we need to go back to town and grab another one?"