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To: Ilaine who wrote (2284)11/20/2005 6:18:51 AM
From: elmatador  Respond to of 217789
 
Moonminoid and Seeker of Truth had discussed that in the Tradermike Thread:

"Maybe it's different in California?" Eplay is our CA. specialist. Perhaps he can say more.

For me high math scores is like chessplaying.

Chess develops in you the capacity of playng chess.

Math develop in you a capacity to solve math equations

Moonminoid described the type of student the US is looking nowadays

TJ gives also a good idea about how the students develop and which part they play

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To: Ilaine who wrote (2284)11/20/2005 11:31:46 AM
From: arun gera  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 217789
 
Asians comprise a highly disproportionate share in the high tech sector. Look at Maurice's favorite - Qualcomm. Look at the top 5 technology people at Yahoo, Google, Sun Microsystems, Bell Labs, or at the leading VCs. Microsoft has a large number of asians just under the top layer.

By your logic, where do all the brilliant women go. The adult world in the US isn't dominated by smart women (and women are more than 50 percent of total population, while asians are less than 4 percent of total population).

>What I always wonder is where do these brilliant Asian kids go after high school and colllege? Because the adult world in the US isn't dominated by smart Asians.



To: Ilaine who wrote (2284)11/20/2005 9:59:56 PM
From: Cogito Ergo Sum  Respond to of 217789
 
Good marks are like love... neither by themselves are guarantees of anything



To: Ilaine who wrote (2284)11/21/2005 9:02:41 PM
From: TobagoJack  Read Replies (4) | Respond to of 217789
 
Hello CB, Elamt was talking about Chinese kids specifically, and not about Asians in general.

In your post, it is perhaps faulty to group Chinese Americans and other Asian Americans together, just as it would be not entirely scientific to group Germans and Greeks together. Each group has peculiarities and exhibit nuances, some are more fun and others are more mathematically productive, and aggregating them together makes the truth less distinguishable from the facts, even though I have to say thank goodness for all groups, else where would we get those delicious olives.

(a) I believe, and stand to be corrected, that Chinese Americans, historically speaking, until very recently, on generational terms, were massively discriminated against, and the second generations achievement must of course be viewed in that context;

(b) I also suppose that given Chinese Americans make up only a quarter of Asian Americans, and Asian Americans account for a mere 4% of American society, that then the 1%+/- of Chinese Americans has done enough, or plenty for themselves and the society they are guest in, against the odds, and certainly much better than a whole lot of other groups, at least in terms of education, professional expertise, income, assets, family cohesion, and independence from institutions. You know, the stuff they care about, traditional values and ancient pluses, given what they had to go through;

Bottom line, for a 1% drop in the bucket, not too shabby. To have a 1% group dominate the adult world in the US perhaps is not realistic, achievable, or desirable.

(c) Heck, there are even some useless Chinese American political clones and societal hacks near where you are, as opposed to the more productive sort in and around Silicon Valley, Route 128, San Francisco, Hawaii, and possibly NYC, where they are in aggregations constituting somewhat of a critical mass, allowing for better chain reaction;

(d) Looking more widely at Chinese immigrants to strange lands, say South Africa, Latin America, Southeast Asia, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Panama, and oh, Trinidad and Tobago, etc, their method of operation is not really any different, and in the very extreme case of Indonesia, a 3% introduction into the local formulation against racial, political, legal and religion barriers, surviving mass murders, over time, still allowed a 97% aggregation of resources, influence, and all the good things that matter to them;

(e) The Chinese immigrants to other lands, on average, do seem to have either mucho difficulty and/or mucho reluctance to assimilate into their newly traveled-to culture, and behave more as a guest. I am not sure why this is, and can only guess, and guess poorly. Perhaps this is a cultural thing, as in when entering as a guest, behave as a guest; or maybe they just want to be left alone to do their thing. Who knows. Doesn’t matter, because as is apparent, the formulation, while having quirks, works for the formulators.

(f) On education, it is possibly a mistake to make a direct link between education, as in investing in human capital, and what one chooses to do for a living, as in what allows one to collect income, gather capital, and maintain status as a sovereign individual leading a family unit along the path of least resistance.

If everyone makes the direct link between education and making a living, we then degenerate into a society of training and trade schools, as opposed to centers of higher learning, meaning education.

I would venture to guess that a Julliard graduate holding Harvard paper make a better mom, on average, than, say a graduate of Caltech or Columbia would, although it is not immediately clear that those two august institutions specialize in training moms-to-be.

As to <<The few very intelligent Asians I encouter seem very isolated and lonely in the real world>>

... should meet some of the frequent travellers between USA and Asia.

<<They get started in careers that appreciate high grades and test scores and then don't seem to go anywhere>>

... same again, meet the folks on the airplanes.

As to <<I wonder if their parents are doing them favors by emphasizing academic superiority over emotional intelligence and group dynamics?>>

Law: Nerds never do well, unless lucky.

Race and culture does not change this law, and thank goodness.

Chugs, J



To: Ilaine who wrote (2284)11/21/2005 10:27:17 PM
From: BubbaFred  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 217789
 
Hard to find them, as much as they try to assimilate.
The dominant class still regard them as Hop Sings, somewhat illiterate in their spoken English. I know from first hand, several Chinese with pretty good English and Masters degrees got bypassed on managerial IT positions in favor of the white boys with high school degrees. A few of those Chinese from Hong Kong, and they durned speak and write English quite well (even better than the American born). Surprising or shocking? Shouldn't be. Enjoy it while this white supremacists society still exists!



To: Ilaine who wrote (2284)11/26/2005 9:08:15 AM
From: 8bits  Respond to of 217789
 
"What I always wonder is where do these brilliant Asian kids go after high school and college? Because the adult world in the US isn't dominated by smart Asians."

The US had a population that was less than 1% Asian in 1970. It's around 4% now.. I would suggest there is a lagging issue in terms of rising to the top so to speak however I think you must live in an area where there aren't many Asians. Asian Indians and East Asians are everywhere in Silicon Valley and have founded many companies in recent decades. They are also well represented in the medical field, physics, and chemistry.

I assure you if you lived in the San Francisco or LA areas you would many Asians in important career positions.