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To: haqihana who wrote (41638)	11/22/2005 10:23:34 AM
From: Solon	Respond to of 90947

"Solon, YOu can blame the Democratic party of the US for that slow response to WW2" What you are missing...is that I AM NOT BLAMING THE U.S. one iota. I'm well aware of the factors involved. "Now, you guys are making a big stink about the US going to war in Iraq, since, according to you, they were no threat to America" I am not "you guys" and I am not making a big stink. Over half of your own citizens are far less understanding than I and far more hostile to your Government. I saw those towers come down. And I don't give a damn what country the killers were born in. There is absolutely no doubt that many countries are "a threat". My point to Laz was that there are three sides to every discussion--and you ought to know what they are at your age. "but you scorn the US for not immediately jumping into a war that did not threaten our shores in Europe" I don't scorn them one bit. But as your sentence makes clear: circumstances have proven your previous policy of isolation to be now obsolete. If you followed my discussion with Laz you'd have seen that I advocate an International Policy of sovereignty violation in extreme conditions. It was unfortunate that the U.S. went into this without formal international support. That does not mean that I condemn them for striking back against the agenda and the hate which the tower murders exemplified. You are aware that many in the world regard the U.S. as a bully. Making new enemies is not the way to go. Now as to Pearl Harbor--you are not spouting the high school history version. Nevertheless, there is much evidence to support your view. Except that your "blame the Democratic party of the US for that slow response to WW2" is gratuitous and misleading. It was The American Public overall which exhorted an Isolationist policy--a policy that runs to the founding of the American Nation and which was stated by Washington as: "The great rule of conduct for us, in regard to foreign nations, is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. Europe has a set of primary interests, which to us have none, or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves, by artificial ties, in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities." And then there was the Munroe Doctrine... In any event, the discussion between Laz and I was NOT about placing blame; it was about a more balanced view of the entire matter, and (from my perspective)--a changing world view and the formalizing of an International policy with respect to extreme treason against the human race as it were. I have never condemned the U.S. for invading Iraq. But I do not avoid some of the obvious problems and criticisms which a great number of Americans have come to associate with the invasion. There is evidence that the invasion was reckless, premature, and contrived. You have just demonstrated that you understand how events can be contrived ("Then he did the dirtiest thing of all to get us into the war"). What your response indicates to me is that you live with a constant sense of guilt; that you feel attacked by the world and by "the democrats". You cannot tolerate even a discussion of perspectives and views which try to balance the mad rhetoric of your polarized Nation. Rather, you interpret every remark as an attack and a "blaming"--and you strike out with bitter rage and hostility. But I am not one of your hated "democrats". I am not out to "blame" you. Relax and smoke a cigarette or something...