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To: MrLucky who wrote (5611)11/21/2005 3:19:43 PM
From: epicure  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 541416
 
You probably wouldn't know this, but I have my posts taken all over SI and reposted- and so having something in quotes, which I did not say, but which is posted to me as if I did, is likely to pop up all over the place (and since some people apparently keep files of my posts, I might even see it years from now.) Thus I am more sensitive to this then people who don't have people following them around.

I didn't tell you you were silly or bizarre either, so don't go away thinking that, because it's simply not true- it's very important to refer to posts and things, instead of people (imo) - and I am very sensitive to posts in which people and issues are confused. Very rarely I will say something personal (that isn't nice), because I find something so flagrant (stupidity, lying, something of that sort)- but certainly not in your posts.

What I SAID was:

"It's bizarre that you would get that from my post"- "it's" does not refer to YOU. It refers to the situation of getting this idea from my post. I did NOT say you were bizarre, because I did not mean you, and I don't know you, and I don't want to hazard a guess about you- my only comment was on the situation where you got this idea from my post. And as for silly, that referred to a question "I've no idea why you would ask me such a SILLY question."

So even though you probably didn't mean to, you have yet again told me I said something I did not: "You fired back with telling me I'm silly and bizarre and wasting your time." Obviously you thought I was saying rather insulting things about you even when I wasn't- because I don't think YOU are bizarre or silly, and in fact I know almost nothing about you. I am sure you felt that what you said was true, but when you look at the words, it isn't. What I said was true, and when you look at the words you will see that.

So, I never said you were silly OR bizarre. I do agree with the waste to time stuff though, because I am still seeing posts that tell me I said something I did not say, and until I see that change, I'm going to think this was a complete waste of time.

I am willing to discuss almost any issue; it was the style of the posts, and your treatment of what I said that bothered me, not the substance. You wrongly assumed that making up statements for me would not bother me as much as it did, and as far as I can see, that's really the assumption that led a series of posts that could have been a discussion, astray.



To: MrLucky who wrote (5611)11/21/2005 8:11:36 PM
From: MrLucky  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 541416
 
Back pedaling has already begun. Ionesco, are you watching??

Monday, Nov. 21, 2005 2:03 p.m. EST
Bill Clinton Waffles On Iraq: 'It Could Still Work'

Having declared last Wednesday that the U.S. invasion of Iraq was a "big mistake," former President Bill Clinton now thinks the Bush Administration policy may succeed.

Speaking to Arab students in Dubai, the capital of United Arab Emirates, Clinton said "Saddam is gone. It's a good thing, but I don't agree with what was done."

Last night however, he told an audience of 700 in Valhalla, New York that the recent vote on an Iraqi constitution went well, and the next test will be whether the once-dominant Sunni Arabs participate in the Dec. 15 elections, according to Westchester County's Journal News.

If they do, he said , "this enterprise could still work," and "we could look at having a fairly substantial drawdown (of troops) next year."

Taking a stance at odds with Democrat Representative John Murtha (D-Pa) and some of his fellow Democrats calling for immediate withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq, Clinton warned, "Sunni Iraq would become the very terrorist hotbed they were accused of being before." The former President also differed from those Democrats who charge that President Bush lied us into a war, saying he had personally never seen any intelligence linking Iraq to al-Qaida: "No one I knew believed that was the case."

That however doesn't mean President Bush, a Republican, lied or deliberately misled the country about the reasons for going to war, Clinton said, adding that President Bush probably believed the information he was relying on was right.


Clinton, a resident of nearby Chappaqua, spoke at Westchester Community College for The President's Forum, a school fundraiser.