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To: d[-_-]b who wrote (261677)	11/22/2005 2:44:12 PM
From: TigerPaw	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1572955

We were winning the war on the ground, Then why can't any American venture outside the green zone without an armored vehicle? TP

To: d[-_-]b who wrote (261677)	11/22/2005 3:48:45 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1572955

One of the mistakes of Vietnam that is being repeated in Iraq is trying to define the insurgents goals for them. They are going to determine for themselves if they think they are winning or losing by their own criteria. We were winning the war on the ground, just like Iraq, but we lost the popular opinion war in America. Just like then, the hawks are in denial.

To: d[-_-]b who wrote (261677)	11/22/2005 3:49:00 PM
From: bentway	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1572955

It's up to the locals as to whether you win insurgencies. The S. Vietnamese didn't really think the corrupt, puppet governments we put up there were worth dying for, so they didn't. We could have stayed there 20 years and never "won" that war, but we could have lost 100,000 Americans instead of half that. The same logic goes for Iraq.

To: d[-_-]b who wrote (261677)	11/22/2005 5:09:28 PM
From: Taro	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1572955

Wrong. We won the war on the ground, wiped the Cong's supply lines from the North (the Ho Chi Minh Trail) and forced those commies to the negotiation table, where a peace treaty was signed. It took them 2 years of complete violation of every single item agreed on in same treaty to reconstruct same supply lines and move down fresh troops to positions next to South Vietnam. The US forces had done an excellent job in bombing those guys and their subversive activities in South Vietnam back to the stone ages. All of this took place because the US media with their hold on popular opinion in the US prevented any action taken to enforce the rules agreed upon in the treaty signed. Taro