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To: Cyprian who wrote (39045)11/24/2005 6:49:17 AM
From: Cyprian  Respond to of 39621
 
netanyahu the liar said:

“These people... support us not because of a shared ethnic identity, but because of a broader partnership based on values,” Netanyahu added.

and what values might those be mr. netanyahu? abortion is legal in israel. abortion is illegal in muslim countries. palestinian Christians are opposed to abortion. now tell us, do most of the beast-worshipping evangelicals support abortion? do the beast-worshippers john hagee and pat robertson advocate the slaughter of innocent children? nay, yet according to the article you made your remarks right in front of mr. hagee did you not? is this one of the shared values you were referring to?

jerusalem is set to host the '2006 World Pride Parade' for homosexual sodomites.
worldpride.net

Local tourism officials plan on turning Tel Aviv into the gay capital of the world; Israel Hotel Association official: Tel Aviv and gay people are a perfect fit
ynetnews.com

oh do tell, mr. netanyahu, do your beast-worshipping evangelical supporters such as pat robertson, john hagee, etc. agree with those kind of values?

i don't think you will find any moslem countries hosting the 2007 world pride parade. i don't think you will see prominent muslim cities advertising that they want to become the 'gay capital of the world'.

so do tell, mr. netanyahu, just what are these precious values that you and your evangelical cohorts share?

i know, is it democracy? is that the common value you share with american evangelicals? i can show you where abortion and homosexuality is an abomination (even in the OT) mr. netanyahu.

now why don't you show me in the bible where God enjoins democracy. you may claim to share a few cultural values with americans mr. netanyahu, but you don't share any biblical values!



To: Cyprian who wrote (39045)11/24/2005 7:36:36 AM
From: Cyprian  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 39621
 
false prophet john c. hagee the liar said:

“We believe God has spoken clearly, saying, ‘He Who Blesses Israel I will Bless and He Who Curses Israel I Will Curse.’ For Evangelical Christians that’s clear enough. We stand with Israel through thick and thin,” he said.

in other words, what you're really saying is that it doesn't really matter if you share any values with the kingdom of the beast or not. the beast has convinced you that you MUST worship israel at all costs, through "thick and thin", no matter how much evil they perpetrate upon the world.

just like the lying serpent, you present only part of the truth, mr. hagee.

while you cannot find the words, 'He Who Blesses Israel I will Bless and He Who Curses Israel I Will Curse' anywhere in the sacred scriptures, i could see how one could arrive at that conclusion.

there's just one catch, mr. hagee. like the cunning serpent you forgot to tell us the rest of the story:

Israel is an empty vine, he bringeth forth fruit unto himself... (Hosea 10:1)
I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman (John 15:1)

Christ declares himself to be the true Israel. notice the prophet says the false israel (antichrist) brings forth fruit to himself.

three verses later Christ God says:

Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. (John 15:4-5)

so without abiding in Christ the true vine, the true Israel, you can do nothing. the kingdom of "israel" which is being gathered in the middle east does not abide in Christ Jesus, demonstrating through the clear testimony of scripture that they are the 'empty vine' who brings forth fruit to themselves. if you abide in the 'empty vine' -- the false Israel of Hosea 10:1 -- the antichrist, rather than the true vine Christ Jesus, what is the result?

If a man abide not in me (i.e. the true vine/true Israel), he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. (John 15:6)

is this not what we see? do we not see men gathering all the withered branches (those who do not abide in Christ) into the fiery furnace of babylon, to be burned?

...saith the Lord, whose fire is in Zion, and his furnace in Jerusalem. (Isaiah 31:9).

now the scriptures also tells us that he who do not abide in Christ is "cast forth as a branch".

do tell O blessed Isaiah!

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners? All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house. But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet. (Isaiah 14:12-19)

false prophets such as john c. hagee encourage people to worship the antichrist--the false israel, the empty vine, bringing a curse upon themselves.

i worship and bless the true Israel, the God-man Jesus Christ, who truly has seen God his Father. for Israel means "seeing God".

No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. (John 1:18)
Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father. (John 6:46)
I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father. (John 8:38)