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To: Lane3 who wrote (148610)	11/24/2005 3:42:05 PM
From: Lane3	Respond to of 793639

"Kansas University to teach intelligent design as myth November 23, 2005 LAWRENCE, Kan. (AP) -- Creationism and intelligent design are going to be studied at the University of Kansas, but not in the way advocated by opponents of the theory of evolution. The university's Religious Studies Department is offering a course next semester titled "Special Topics in Religion: Intelligent Design, Creationism and Other Religious Mythologies." "The KU faculty has had enough," said Paul Mirecki, chairman of the department. "Creationism is mythology," Mr. Mirecki said. "Intelligent design is mythology. It's not science. They try to make it sound like science. It clearly is not." Earlier this month, the state Board of Education adopted new science teaching standards that treat evolution as a flawed theory, defying the view of science groups. Although local school boards still decide how science is taught in the classrooms, the vote was seen as a major victory for proponents of intelligent design, which says that the universe is so complex that it must have been created by a higher power. Critics say intelligent design is merely creationism -- a literal reading of the Bible's story of creation as the handiwork of God -- camouflaged in scientific language as a way to get around court rulings that creationism injects religion into public schools. John Calvert, an attorney and managing director of the Intelligent Design Network in Johnson County, said Mr. Mirecki will go down in history as a laughingstock. "To equate intelligent design to mythology is really an absurdity, and it's just another example of labeling anybody who proposes [intelligent design] to be simply a religious nut," Mr. Calvert said. "That's the reason for this little charade." Mr. Mirecki said his course, limited to 120 students, would explore intelligent design as a modern American mythology. Several faculty members have volunteered to be guest lecturers. University Chancellor Robert Hemenway said he didn't know all the details about the course. "If it's a course that's being offered in a serious and intellectually honest way, those are the kind of courses a university frequently offers," he said. " washtimes.com

To: Lane3 who wrote (148610)	11/24/2005 4:04:33 PM
From: briskit	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793639

The point is that, however sincere they were, they did deceive. They were just plain wrong. President Bush was just plain wrong. People who make such terrible mistakes should not be retained in office. In large corporations, officials who make similar errors in judgment are discarded (usually with a fat check in their pocket). The whole chicken hawk cabal should be swept out of office. In American politics, this is usually accomplished by congressional investigation. This seems like it was written a long time ago, and also from a very one-sided perspective. Being wrong is not the same thing as deception (and I'm not willing to say they were wrong about many of the issues, as this author seemed to say at that time). There have in fact been several investigations into the issue (stonewalled?). And why wouldn't the case be the same against Clinton and everyone all along? Everyone deceived everyone on both sides of the aisle, first the dems then the GOP? Turns out the dems should have been swept out of office for not doing anything about AQ, Bin Laden, et.al, all those years. I just have a hard time with this argument. The backlash is political now, and the American public is weak, tires of war, and quick to dissert a battle when it gets difficult. Dems are capitalizing on those aspects of our society, IMSO.

To: Lane3 who wrote (148610)	11/24/2005 4:09:06 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793639

So I do not believe the deception was deliberate. They did not intend to lie to the American people. Rather, they wanted to prove to the American people that they were right, with little respect for the poor quality of their data. The point is that, however sincere they were, they did deceive. They were just plain wrong. President Bush was just plain wrong. .... But given the Bush administration's propensity to stonewall and cover up and the pro-administration bias of much of the media, a full-scale investigation is unlikely. Don't you see something strange in a column whose first half says, "they were sincere, there was no deception" and whose second half concludes "they will successfully stonewall and cover up"? Cover up what? their sincerity? the "slam-dunk" case that was presented to them by the CIA? As for the "pro-administration bias of much of the media," no comment is needed imo. We have already had two full Congressional investigations, and are not done yet. As for removing those who make such mistakes from office, we have a working mechanism for that - it's called an "election." Bush won the last one if memory serves.