To: elmatador who wrote (2440 ) 11/26/2005 1:56:31 PM From: Maurice Winn Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 218005 That's a nice gesture ElM. It's highly embarrassing when one's countrymen commit crimes because although one is not responsible, one is inescapably part of the society that produced the hideous ones and one is tainted by the evil acts. I always feel tainted and ashamed when crimes are committed by New Zealanders because I can at least have some influence in the direction of New Zealand, albeit trivial, and I oppose the politicial ideologies which produce said hideous criminals. I now consider it unethical to pay taxes in New Zealand because a large proportion of the money goes to encouraging the hideous ones to do more of the same. Every day there are children abused in the care of state wards who are paid to have the infants who they care nothing for and treat with sadistic attitudes. I consider it unethical to allow one's money to be used for such purposes. That's like paying for Zyklon B for extermination of Jews, Gypsies, and other undesirables. Actually, it's worse. Germany and Adolf were in total war against implacable enemies and Adolf and co determined that Zionist Jews were trying to destroy them, which they were [understandably]. So, just as the USA put Japanese-Americans in concentration camps, Germans did the same to Jews and other potential enemies of the 1000 Year Reich. Of course, after a few years and with a lack of food and other resources during the war, the situation became untenable so the Final Solution was decided. The slave labour became excess labour and so ... In NZ however, there is no state of total war leading to the need to fund horrific thugs who have possession of infants and children who are their cash-flow ticket. It's ideology to pay them, and bureaucratic indifference and incompetence to allow the abuse, cruelty and murder of infants and children. Also, the cruelty in the Jewish extermination process was relatively slight if the victims quietly complied with their extermination. Infants here go to their graves with cigarette burns, broken limbs, damaged brains, ruptured lives and spleens, bruising, vaginal damage, nutritional deficiency and tormented minds after a brief life of fear and pain. Or, they escape death and guess how they turn out as adults. I can see why they take revenge on the society which not only allowed, but paid for their torture. Paying for extermination camps and the torture of children is unethical. Being part of the societies which do that is embarrassing and shameful. Acknowledging the shame as you are suggesting, is the first step in stopping the cause of the shame. There isn't much acknowledgement of the shame of NZ. Not to mention the other horrors, such as murder of innocent tourists who have been seduced into coming here thinking it a safe and beautiful Shangri-la when in fact it is infested with murderous rapacious thieving thugs who will, when they get a chance, rape, murder and pillage. They of course don't just murder tourists, they also murder locals. My wife's father's brother was murdered by knife when he apparently refused to give booze to somebody who came to his house. Susan Burdett, a class-mate of my wife, was bludgeoned to death by Malcolm Rewa safe-nz.org.nz who got into her house at night while she was asleep a decade or so ago. She kept a baseball bat by the bed and I suppose tried to defend herself with it, only to find that a strong male can grab such a weapon from a weak person and use it themselves. My brother's son's girlfriend Marie Jamieson was murdered by thugs unknown and her body dumped behind a building in an industrial area, found only when the smell attracted attention. police.govt.nz The police have the DNA of Marie's murderer [or somebody unknown whose sperm was in her body and I would hazard a guess that that person would have not known Marie for long and it would be at least interesting to question them or know who they were]. I would like to see compulsory DNA records of everyone. Start with all males aged between 20 and 35 with a criminal record involving a prison sentence or acts of violence. I would bet that would catch the person. Then all such males aged 35 to 40. Then all males aged 20 to 35. Then all males aged 35 to 40. Then all males aged over 19 [the offence was in Feb 2001 and 14 year olds wouldn't have done it]. Then all males. Then start on females in the same age groups and of criminal inclination just to complete the picture and to know who is who and to identify victims and generally inform on criminal acts. Not to mention to know who has got tradable citizenship. DNA can only be used to identify people. It's not like having Big Brother watching us or controlling our lives. I'm as anti-government as nearly anyone and I'm okay with DNA records being public information. In fact I quite like it. Anything which enhances the individual as a separate sovereign entity in their own right is a good thing by me. While I didn't know any of the victims personally, they were known by people close to me. When young, I had barely heard of murder and there were few per year. Now, they are surrounding me. Murder and carnage were in "West Side Story" and I considered that a horror and was glad such things didn't happen in NZ. What a joke! It's common culture here now, but much, much worse. The dancing and singing are not part of the culture though, just the carnage. Mqurice PS: On reflection, I'm happy to pay for extermination camps and Zyklon B. Malcolm Rewa, Paul Dally safe-nz.org.nz Taffy Hotene safe-nz.org.nz Timothy Taylor safe-nz.org.nz and others would be excellent candidates. That would also improve the number of body parts for transplant, which are in short supply. I suppose Zyklon B is not the best way of killing them if their body parts are wanted for something more useful than dog food.